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I’ve been fascinated by an idea that doesn’t have a word, so I am going to coin one:

Cryptopistemology

A mashup of crypto- (hidden) and epistemology (the study of knowledge),

There is lots of hidden knowledge encoded in our world that is not easily accessible, due to taboo or simply because it is understudied.

I grew up on the internet thinking all of the world’s knowledge is on there to learn. I quickly realized how wrong this was.

A good example is street smarts. You can’t really pick this up in a book or from YouTube videos. Some knowledge can only be gained through experience on the ground, immersed in the complexity of life.

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The Pentographer 1y ago

Fascinating.

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David Caseria 1y ago

Would the discovery process be the apocalypse (i.e., revelation or unveiling)?

jb55 1y ago

its enlightenment, not apocalyptic. if we uncover and study this hidden knowledge, it just becomes good ol science and epistemology.

I think the emphasis on “hidden” is trying to categorize things that are not commonly studied or looked into.

Like who is running the study on street smarts? I’m sure there is an insane amount of complexity to explore in that space, but there’s no obvious way to study it.

lkraider 1y ago

The issue is to assume that through that “study” - and that’s a can of worms on its own - it necessarily follows that systematizing the lived experience into some information system will render any greater insight. For example, it is clear that explaining all about a sport like basketball doesn’t make the person that doesn’t practice that sport into a good basketball player. Learning, as a form of encyclopedic knowledge, is not a complete knowledge. The same reason as simply reading about religion is not the same as practicing a religion. The Truth is not encoded into systems of knowledge, but in lived experience, and trying to convey it through systematization is always a lower resolution version of that.

jb55 1y ago

Ah yes the map is not the territory

Leo Wandersleb 1y ago

I think a lot is kind of muscle memory. You can't put it into words for reproduction but still you can study it in words.

I imagine that humanoid robots will quickly gain street smarts like autonomous cars are learning the unwritten rules of human interaction. The latter probably do so very explicitly, with engineers approving changes to how the car should behave that were not clear before actually getting into the street. I wonder what Tesla knows about how people expect you to drive according to your location. They must have hard data where humans only have anecdotes.

n 1y ago

(・∀・)ｲｲﾈ!!

j 1y ago

i like to think about whole fields of science advancing in secret

jb55 1y ago

yeah that fits the word as well

buchi 1y ago

look into Hulda Clark, Stanislaw Burzynski and Dr. med. Horst Poehlman. Three people being able to cure cancer through different methodology. There’s an entire underground world of people who’ve been able to cure disease, but because this disrupts pharma and their entire profit agenda, are taken down, silenced, killed or financially ruined.

The one thing in common in all these people’s stories is that they were actually helping cancer patients. The US gov went after each person to try and take down their practice, with various results. Now why would the US go after these people if their so called treatments were successful? Is it maybe because curing disease is something big pharma doesn’t want you to know about?

I know someone who trained under one of these people and runs a very successful practice. I protect their identity because of these stories. They only advertise word of mouth. There’s a cure out there for everything.

Jeroen Ubbink 1y ago

New study unlocked! Beat that social studies!

Felix 1y ago

Love finding some random old HTML blog on a niche topic

jb55 1y ago

https://search.marginalia.nu is awesome for this

Felix 1y ago

Cool, thanks

MoldyTangerine 🍊 1y ago

Bitcoin not crypto

nobody 1y ago

So you are not Zionist or Zionist?

Jo 1y ago

Will 1y ago

"Cryptemology" rolls a little better off the tongue.

Based on your definition though, I'm not sure where this would fit between psychology, epistemology, philosophy, information theory, and physics.

Street smarts, for example isn't necessarily "hidden" knowledge. It could all be written down and explained, you just won't fully grasp it until you experience it.

In that sense, it's just like any other skill that takes practice to acquire.

I like the idea though of studying the "world behind the world."

Dr. Bitcoin, MD 1y ago

You should look into construction/masonry/building…

BlackCoffee 1y ago

Absolutely, the idea that the internet has all the world's knowledge is so wrong. It's incredibly shallow. Go to a university library and pick any book off the shelf, I'm sure there'll be many, many things in that book that aren't on the web.

CommunalSupport.exe 1y ago

Like how #GDP only reflects superficial economic intercourse, the sum of the quotidian exchanges of the recorded masses, not the whole treasury. Hidden knowledge and economic value lie deeper than what vulgar metrics even hope to #discover.