Replying to Avatar Guy Swann

Is it just me, or does it seem like everyone is super reluctant to monetize services and relays on #Nostr?

If we can’t make these things sustainable then we will either lose them, or they will stay nothing more than a weird little corner of the internet with lots of hope but no chance of ever scaling.

I still haven’t seen the basic model of zap sharing tried by any major client or relay. But I DO see regularly comments about how expensive relays are. I mean it might not work, but can’t we TRY it?

I want to make the distinction here too that this doesn’t mean we are closing off the network, we are adding permissions to the protocol, this doesn’t suggest at all to used closed source code, we simply need the services necessary to keep this ecosystem robust, to be profitable and have the resources to thrive. If they aren’t, then NONE of this works. Economics is everything.

I know building features is more exciting. I know we all want to make everything that we can free, and I agree all of the *code* should be shared. However, I think there is a natural insecurity (and I say this because I have this problem personally) with charging a fair price, and fearing criticism or the ire of people who believe everything should be free (as in price) when we need things to be free (as in Liberty). They are not the same, and confusing the two could stifle, or drastically slow down, the insane potential of this place.

TL;DR We have GOT to divert some energy to thinking about how to make this ecosystem sustainable, or we will lose it.

(Disclaimer: this isn’t a judgement on whoever is thinking about this problem. It just *seems* like few are. If you are building in this way please share your ideas or what you are trying. I’m extremely interested)

Running relays does not cost much compared to client development costs or relay development costs. But yes there should be an economy starting for things to be sustainable in the long run.

Right now a dozen (for the sake of decentralization) 20$ / month machines can carry nostr. Maybe add couple 30$ "historical" relays to keep the old notes and that's it. There are not many notes.

"Zap sharing" was done by snort and I got some zaps from there. Cool feature.

I think relays should adopt freemium/premium model. What do you think?

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Zap sharing? Do you have a noteID for a run down on what that is? 🙏

The only problem with freemium that I can see is spam. Eventually when nostr is popular, relays that are free will waste a lot of operator time in un-winnable spam combat or be a nuisance to users.. I'd like to see clients normalize paid relays as part of their onboarding, even if the client themselves has to pony up the initial sats.