Replying to Avatar Guy Swann

Is it just me, or does it seem like everyone is super reluctant to monetize services and relays on #Nostr?

If we can’t make these things sustainable then we will either lose them, or they will stay nothing more than a weird little corner of the internet with lots of hope but no chance of ever scaling.

I still haven’t seen the basic model of zap sharing tried by any major client or relay. But I DO see regularly comments about how expensive relays are. I mean it might not work, but can’t we TRY it?

I want to make the distinction here too that this doesn’t mean we are closing off the network, we are adding permissions to the protocol, this doesn’t suggest at all to used closed source code, we simply need the services necessary to keep this ecosystem robust, to be profitable and have the resources to thrive. If they aren’t, then NONE of this works. Economics is everything.

I know building features is more exciting. I know we all want to make everything that we can free, and I agree all of the *code* should be shared. However, I think there is a natural insecurity (and I say this because I have this problem personally) with charging a fair price, and fearing criticism or the ire of people who believe everything should be free (as in price) when we need things to be free (as in Liberty). They are not the same, and confusing the two could stifle, or drastically slow down, the insane potential of this place.

TL;DR We have GOT to divert some energy to thinking about how to make this ecosystem sustainable, or we will lose it.

(Disclaimer: this isn’t a judgement on whoever is thinking about this problem. It just *seems* like few are. If you are building in this way please share your ideas or what you are trying. I’m extremely interested)

I look at everything from a business perspective first. The problem with society is that few of us are "all around athletes wrt to skills to run orgs" and most people have become vertical specialists with the goal of working for a big org that does all the other nitty gritty for you, like HR, marketing, customer service, payroll, etc. So you get highly specialized tech people who can do their job well, but don't think about product to market fit or how to deliver that, which actually takes multiple skills, beyond just coding, like branding, design, communications, etc.

Not everyone can multi hat all of that unless you grew up in an environment that was like that (like I did), where multiple family members ran their own business operations. And some people who have been stuck in a vertical for the last 20 yrs of their life in a big org, can't think their way out of it. Its very difficult to unlearn habits once ingrained, it'll take another generation or people from less well established economies where all the resources aren't handed to them (like sub sahara) .

Just my 0.02 Sats

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