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Thank you for having Lopp on your podcast nostr:npub1mrmu3s5889zcaqcqwxejx8gtkp9rwna7fq0vqezk4x22rnpr2gmsmfeyr9 , it's important that people hear what core v30 is all about. Here are a few notes I made while listening. Hope someone finds them useful.

23:40 Lopp says stopping non-monetary activity is a "relentless cat-and-mouse game of trying to change the rules of Bitcoin". The only people trying to change rules is core. We have an existing mechanism, the datacarriersize option. That's what this whole debate is about. We just want to keep that option as node runners.

29:25 If he wants core to focus on more important things then why don't they drop this PR and leave the option in place with the same default and not deprecated? Again core is the ones making a change here, not knots.

41:52 He casually mentions Citrea. Let's not forget this is what sparked the current push back. This is the VC funded start up that wants this change, and Lopp's involvement is a conflict of interest. Citrea wants this change because it helps Citrea, and Lopp as an investor. No pleb node runner has asked for it.

47:10 Trying to minimize non-monetary data in Bitcoin is not censorship because Bitcoin is a monetary system, not a storage system for arbitrary data. Knots users are pushing back against scope creep. Having a mempool policy to help with this is not the same as censoring a tx for political reasons. These are frequently conflated by Lopp and other core supporters.

49:32 "Yes bitcoin is money, it's also many other things." This is the heart of the entire conflict between core and knots. This is core and Lopp's view of bitcoin, but it will never be mine. This is why options exist, so individuals can have autonomy and set their own mempool policies. This is what he wants removed on behalf of Citrea. If you disagree then run knots.

https://fountain.fm/episode/en5THJWyAWzNZJV67OfR

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Discussion

Des Imoto マキシ 3mo ago

It’s a big problem. This Core attack vector cast a doubt about whether Bitcoin is really strong enough to take on being the money for the world. For me, for the first time. Not just perception. But demonstrated. And you better believe the SEC, the government, Blackrock etc know that the weakest link of Bitcoin are the maintainers, Core Devs. Scary times.

jgbtc 3mo ago

The ever increasing Knots node count, and decreasing core node count, is a reason to be hopeful. This is bitcoin's immune system in action. Bitcoin has survived other civil wars and it will survive this.

Des Imoto マキシ 3mo ago

Agree. That’s the hope. But hope is not a good strategy, when there’s so much at stake. I’m running Knots, of course. But all I’ve done then is to move my node code from an upgrade path depended on a small group of corrupted devs and influencers that have already stabbed us in the back to depending on a single developer that hasn’t yet. All awhile the Bitcoin community is now divided and confused….thats a pretty thin safety net.

nout 3mo ago

Luckily Knots folks are very interested in adding covenants and helping BitVM, etc.

Mountain Man 3mo ago

I would love to see the Core people insist their email provider stop censoring all the incoming spam and see how long their email is usable. Keeping out unhelpful, unwanted, unrelated bullshit is not censorship.