Nostr Web Client

Love the sound! 🐶🐾🤣

But I still can’t understand people obsession about not being dependent on global authorities (ICANN) in this case, while running the service on top of the internet that is ruled by a global authority. If they can take you domain name away, they can also take away your IPs. 🐶🐾🤷‍♂️

Uxellodunum 2y ago

I don't think it's so much about obsessing over not being dependant on global authorities, as it is about lessening the amount of dependencies on centralised authorities that historical have or may have exercised a form of absolute power regardless of the people's interest.

If Nostr succeeds with relays hosted by independent ISPs both on ground and via satellite, backed by different forms of energy inflow and its only dependency is the ICANN, that'll be a monumental, historical victory for all the world to witness.

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The Fishcake (nostr.build) 2y ago

IP address space is still managed by a central authority. If they want you gone off the internet, you will be. I think “lessening” the dependence in this case is just an illusion that give warm and fuzzy feelings, without accomplishing anything substantial. I’d rather know what I am dealing with with daily reminder, then give myself a wrong sense of security. My 21 sats worth of option! 🐶🐾🫡

Uxellodunum 2y ago

I don't think that's accurate. If a centralised service deems it so, you may not only lose your IP provided by ICANN, but you'll lose your entire history of content on said platform and your digital identity.

Whereas if you take as many dependencies out of the equation and decentralise, you can reliably keep your content, and your identity. Your domain name? Use another one (we've seen this does work over time and feel do end up using provided mirrors if the platform provides value, ie, TPB and others).

Your IP? Much harder to work around, but who's to say 1. An alternative protocol isn't made in the face of necessity? or 2. You get hold of a "still whitelisted" IP and tunnel it for obfuscation - Again, a la Tor, which isn't perfect at all, and yet helps millions already circumvent authorities when needed.

Either way, I'd prefer to know my content remains somehow accessible, my idenitity remains intact and I at least hold a chance to get back to it and continue to build. Wouldn't you?

The Fishcake (nostr.build) 2y ago

Fair points. Btw, I think IPs are governed by IANA not ICANN 🐶🐾🫡

Uxellodunum 2y ago

Good point! They're seperate entities but overlap in some topics - Indeed, IPs are IANA's domain.