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Migration into a Western country is expensive, bro. Quarter of a million, easily, unless you're in a position to go the fake marriage or fear-of-persecution track.

And those options are expensive in time, and can't usually be repeated if you've taken an exit payout.

Non-problem, I'd say, your first line.

The rest of your post is true, but, especially in Sweden, a super-majority chose this future willingly. Natural Selection at work...

tjay 1y ago

Who's going to pay for all that? Certainly not me the best way to stop them is to make it less attractive by introducing the following:

- You need to speak the language of the land you are migrating to

- STOP ALL the hand outs

- make sure they ACTUALLY want to be in that country or are just there for hand outs.

I think as soon as the second one is implemented ALLOT of people will not come.

Keep in mind they want to crash the Dollar and the Euro in order to push the CBDC look at how many of those have being printed in the time between covid en the current wars now. That's why inflation is through the roof because those currencies are getting more worthless by the day

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LogicallyMinded 1y ago

Right, but you can only enforce your plan if you can enforce the borders of your country which isn’t the case anymore for Europeans countries. It’s very difficult to forcibly (even legally) send back people from where they came hence the proposed incentive. You can’t have an immigration policy without borders.

LogicallyMinded 1y ago

The immigration policy of European countries is dictated by the EU and the EU is in openly in favor of these recent migration waves. #EUPolitics

Ghost of Truth 1y ago

Absolutely

Condor 1y ago

Nobody is migrating. Those people are recruited.

Ghost of Truth 1y ago

Yep

tjay 1y ago

Yeah I'm all for securing your own borders, and in my case even a Nexit (The Netherlands leaving the EU)

Whiles I liked the old EU where every country was still in power of their own land, and multiple countries tried to work together with free travel of work and tourism. It now has morphed in to a Mobster kind of beast where unelected criminals decide for the people.

Silberengel 1y ago

Free travel for is Schengen. Free residency permits is EU.

Low Information Voter 1y ago

I think you're right, but politics is the art of the possible, as Bismark observed.

Your step two would be political suicide right now. Let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Its just not possible with the voter's they've got. 0% chance of getting up.

Paying unhappy unSwedes to emigrate, though, that's apparently quite doable. The best policy option that is politically possible at this time...

tjay 1y ago

Why would it be political suicide if I may ask? I think allot of sweeds want their taxes spend wisely instead of throwing it away to another country, keep in mind most of these people take that 31.000 and try to come back again under a different name and try to again get those 31.000. Or even go to other European countries to get those 31.000.

I just don't think it's feasible and I personally think it's a way to cause hyper inflation so they can push for a CBDC

Low Information Voter 1y ago

31k really isn't much money, given the expense of buying false papers and coming back. The government will have their biometrics on file, too.

As for other European countries, "ever closer union" is a bad idea in many ways not just one.

And as for Swedes wanting their money spent wisely... the ballot box suggests not many until quite recently, and even then I'm sure there are many red lines.

tjay 1y ago

1. Fair point but will those biometrics be shared with other European countries?

2. Can you explain this a bit because I'm not sure what your saying, which is likely my fault 🫣

3. From what I've being seeing lately over here allot of people finally grew some backbone and actually say what they think. I'm not sure if that's also the case in Sweden tho.

Low Information Voter 1y ago

1. I have quite seriously looked into getting a real fake birth certificate in a particular poor and corrupt Asian country, just in case the West goes full Cultural Revolution.

I'm still looking at AUD$10k even with in-law connections, and the same again for real fake education history.

Returning ex-Swedes needing a real fake identity would be doing this too, plus paying commercial travel, people smugglers and living expenses. There's no way you can do all that and make a profit on $31K euros. Especially not when you could stay in Sweden and collect nearly as much in welfare for free.

2. Ever Closer Union is a motto of the EU. Ceding sovereignty to Brussels bureaucrats, or even other EU countries with irresponsible short-sighted voters was always a terrible idea.

3. I'm not in touch with anyone in Sweden any more, but they have a saying: "shaking my fist in my pocket".

Its a very Collectivist culture. There's no way I can see even the most Conservative Swedes trading in their lavish welfare system for a lighter-weight one like Britain's, let alone the USA's.

tjay 1y ago

1. Never looked in to that so i assume your right on this.

2. Ah oké thanks for clarification, yeah we both agree on this.

3. I don't know any sweeds so I can't speak for them to be honest.

Silberengel 1y ago

You just have to emigrate to Germany, since we help you do all the paperwork and travel over here for free. Then you can just walk to Sweden, collect your check and return home rich.

hh 1y ago

Being anti-illegal immigration in Western Europe is political suicide because it goes against the diktat of the elites who rule over us. It has been decided and it will be done, full stop.

Pro-illegal immigration brain washing begins at kindergarten, especially in the State school systems, and opposing it is culturally speaking anathema. It's just something very few children grow out of. Any politician or citizen who has any sort of nuanced (no need to be outright opposed) position on the issue is immediately labeled as "far right", which in Western Europe equates civil death. Of course you can be "it", but forget about making any sort of progress socially, even less in political institutions, if for some reason you're "outed".

hh 1y ago

For the record, this sort of social indoctrination mechanism is neither new nor exclusive of Western Europe. All modern States do it. In the US for instance even the so called "democratic socialists" have to play along with the religious folk, because over there the label "atheist" kills a political career faster than any other.