try cake wallet, it is self custodial and has a swap feature built in
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Thanks man, but where would you buy since the travel rule is active everywhere? Or are xmr coins not traceable once you withdraw them from an exchange?
exactly that is the point of monero š
you can also withdraw BTC and swap it for XMR in cake wallet.
Thx! And who gets the BTC when I swap, other users or is it the wallet provider?
By the way, let us say some private or commercial person or entity adds monero to its reserves and wants to make it public and ensure the people that they really have the coins because of some part of a Business planā¦ could they do that or is monero 100% untraceable so that this can never be done?
It depends how the provider handles the utxos they receive, some might send it to a pool and do coinjoins (I believe exch does) others donāt have liquidity and also do #shotgunKYC as #stealthEX does.
You can post your wallets private view keys and all incoming transactions will be available for anyone to see how much Monero you have received. But right now outgoing transactions dont properly work. Outgoing view keys will be introduced with the upcoming FCMP upgrade later this year.
Thatās interesting! The principles are the same as with BTC, right?
So, there are devs working on the monero core/protocolā¦ and it needs the consensus of all monero miners and nodes to be updated when the new software is deployed for for example a change that you mentioned above. Your mentioned change sounds like a hard fork? Would it be?
Very similar yes. Monero is the third largest crypto project aside from Bitcoin/Ethereum. Strong FOSS ethos and widely respected and used by many Bitcoiners.
Not in the same way. Monero requires consensus in the sense that the devs can't force anyone to run their software (it's voluntary to use or not after all). If the community at large doesn't like what they are doing at some point it will fork off. This is how Monero was created in the first place. Community didn't like the direction previous devs were taking the project so Monero was created. You can also swap away your Monero for something else and no one can stop you from doing that.
Yes, Monero does have hardforks mostly for privacy improvements.
Don't mean to get in the weeds, but although Bitcoin doesn't hardfork, in practice most have to follow new versions anyway and there is little diversity since 99% nodes run Bitcoin Core. For example, Bitcoin Core doesn't patch CVEs in older versions.
No need to go all in on Monero though if you don't trust it yet. You can still be mostly Bitcoin and just have a small amount of Monero you use to spend on stuff.
1 - The liquidity provider of the swap service gets the BTC.
2- you can give people a view key so they can see your balance
Iām not 100 sure about this but I think the view key sees only the ins but not the outs
afaik you are right, but he asked for a way to proof one has the coins
So even if you donāt see the outs, a decreasing or increasing amount could immediately be noticed, correct? ā¦ in that case you can argue that you donāt need to show the outsā¦ but would be fine to have the choice on the other handā¦
You are getting it Ben :)
Iām afraid not. You see the ins but not the outs therefore in a new account if 100 goes in and then 100 goes out you still see100. In other words the outs are not getting accounted
but the balance change of the address is shown, or not?
In my experience with a view key on a different computer I was only able to see the ins. So everything went good until I started to spend. On the āviewā account I saw bigger balance than in the real account. I didnāt test it with other OS, though.
did not know that, interesting!
As far as I know you can prove you received or send it () but donāt know how to prove you have (not had) some monero. It might not be possible, definitely not in a bitcoin way. I guess you should move the funds to a new wallet on the last block and share the pub key right away. Or maybe some multisig way? I kind of like it. It makes it āunETFableā
Interesting. We will see about that :) someone would just do an monero etf and tell people to believe it and enough buyers will be found :)) same type of btc etf buyersā¦ they know better, but do it anyway š
Everybody gets what they deserve
It doesnāt work like that, at least not with the view key sees only