It has been fun to watch Mozilla completely destroy the only reason people use Firefox.
> When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
Whattttt
What's a better option Vitor? Genuine question.
Brave?
😳 Now I’m wondering if the same applies to Focus, it’s the one I use from them, I never liked the original firefox
Oh man. Major suckage. I use Firefox as my primary browser. I'm not ok with that wordage their T+C.
My OS is Ubuntu. What other open-source browsers are worth using?
Hopefully someone finds the list of ips that the data is trxd to so they can be blocked client side.
BUMMER I HAVE BEEN USING FF FOR YEARS
BUT THAT'S FEELS TOO MUCH
IT SEEMS IT GOES BEYOND JUST COLLECTING DATA FOR AI
Wen nostr browser.
PSA:
You can throw Firefox Browser in the trash from now on:
Firefox Browser könnt ihr ab jetzt in den Müll werfen.
TOU 25.Feb.2025
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/
"When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."
they since issued a clarification: https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/28/mozilla-responds-to-backlash-over-new-terms-saying-its-not-using-peoples-data-for-ai/
Haha. Sounds like they did this all along but only put it into writing recently.
"UPDATE: We’ve seen a little confusion about the language regarding licenses, so we want to clear that up. We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example. It does NOT give us ownership of your data or a right to use it for anything other than what is described in the Privacy Notice."
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/
They did respond, but it didn't really do us much good. They never claimed 'ownership' of your data, just the right to use it in any way they see fit (e.g. for tracking and ads). They're still doing what we were upset with them to begin with, and a lack of comment on the real issues kinda confirms that they intend to continue. Instead if that disclaimer they might as well have said "There's been some confusion, but we promise we'll never kick your dog."
So, update, I might have been to harsh on them. The update was what I quoted, but there's a good chance what they were intending to say was that it was changed for compliance rather than a change in behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bTquKjzos
They are still tracking and sharing you data, be it anonymized (which I've complained about in the past), but it sounds like nothing in their behavior has changed as of yet post new ToS. I should have probably given them a bit more benifit of the doubt.
But they didn't update the statement in the actual document to reflect this did they?
It's a legal document that users agree to, whatever some doofus says elsewhere is not legally binding would be my guess 🤷♂️
I quit using it a long time ago because other browsers were just better.... Always felt a little bad because I wanted to support the foundation.... I don't have to worry about that anymore.
Switched off of it immediately 🤦🏼♂️
Everyone is right to complain about these terms. Why can't Mozilla just make software that doesn't collect user data at all? How hard is that?
However, I have a feeling that many of those complaining have never read the Windows EULA and all the other legal bullshit included by reference. The extreme disregard for personal privacy, as well as proprietary business data expressed in those documents is appalling. If more people read them, Microsoft would go bankrupt.
Because they need money and Google's money is going away with the search monopoly lawsuit.
Hrmm wonder if Zen browser be effected...
It's disappointing. Forks aren't effected by this, and after getting annoyed with other shenanigans I used LibreWolf for the longest time, but slowed development can't be patched out one too many memory leaks and compatiby issues has me largely using Brave on PC.
Holding out (perhaps misplaced) hope things could get better in the browser space. If the Linux foundation takes over Chromium, Firefox gets revitalized, & /or Ladybird gets finished we could see some good things happening in the browser space. Maybe for once have a cutting edge browser engine or two built to be a browser and not an ad delivery tool or a way to keep you within a particular ecosystem.
I’ve landed on brave as well. What aren’t you happy with on Brave?
Ah the wonders of being an opensource company, just provide a hint of what 1337 haxxors deem verboten and you lose all credibility and the little marketshare you can muster from that niche.
Meanwhile everyone around the globe uses Google Chrome and don’t bat an eye to their TOS, and they basically control the internet by knowing everything about everyone.
What would you use now if not firefox or it's alternative librewolf.
librewolf seems fine
Use librewolf
Waterfox a good alternative too.
