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Laser 2y ago

Here's what they miss:

- Life is really really brutal alone; a family is the best chance you have at contentment. Gender roles are the ancient playbook for reserved rights and responsibilities uniquely suited to everyone's inherint properties. They are priveleges more than anything.

- In peacetime men can seem like a frivolous tyranny but in wartime the memory of intertribal chaos returns.

- The children serve the parents. The wife serves the husband. The husband serves his community, his own mission, and Jesus Christ. Everyone works. Everyone serves.

- Life isn't about pleasure, it's about harvesting enough meaning and growth so that you can be a positive example and ultimately die with courage.

- Absolute freedom doesn't exist.

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Mindaugas 2y ago

What you describe is an option, but absolute freedom (from other humans) is also an option. Not many people want it, though. Well, they want the cake (freedom), just don't want to work to cook it nor deal with the extra calories and other side effects that come with it :).

What you describe as pleasure vs. meaning, Buddha described one level up in the Four Noble Truths. There is suffering, but there is also a path to ending suffering.

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Mindaugas 2y ago

Btw, there are different types of animals that prefer absolute freedom much more than humans do, e.g. the felidae family.

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nobody 11mo ago

Life is suffering. For without suffering, we cannot know bliss.

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scrolls of ancient wisdom 9mo ago

Not completely true. Life is also joy!

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scrolls of ancient wisdom 9mo ago

Married life or religious life have been two common modes of life for 2000+ years. Both live in community. Even the hermit lives in community before becoming a hermit.

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scrolls of ancient wisdom 9mo ago

Bullet point #4 I would add life (your body in union with your soul) is for the benefit of your soul. The main reason why our soul is united to out body is for the benefit of the soul.

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Mindaugas 9mo ago

Absolute freedom does exist, you just have to limit the size and number of compromises you make in life, and find your second half who also believes in and understands absolute freedom. I will not call for community that understands these, because that is definitelly impossible nowadays, but at least the family without sacrificing freedom is possible.

You can commit and receive commitments without creating dependencies. Bible is not enough to learn how to do that but it is possible. Except with children of course, because they are not independent, not individuals essentially. But then they grow up, and you are free again.

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Hanshan 9mo ago

how do you reconcile "absolute freedom" with "size and number of compromises"?

these things are apparently mutually exclusive.

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Kevin Alfred Strom 9mo ago

I would replace Jesus with "the self-realization of the Creator." Otherwise, 100%.

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Papa Figos 9mo ago

I don't know man, plenty to be said about wandering freely without any responsibility except to yourself, following no one else's schedules, not having to take into account anyone else's preferences.

There is true freedom in that, if you can afford it and you have the flexiblity to do it.

It's not right for everyone else, and even for the same person it might fit in one season, but not another.

The important thing is to stay true to one's heart and carving our own path :)

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Laser 9mo ago

Not for women.