lol
nostr:nprofile1qqszrqlfgavys8g0zf8mmy79dn92ghn723wwawx49py0nqjn7jtmjagpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ekk7mf0qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uynmh4h and I have an ongoing discussion
he likes to call it "tracing" because saying
"the sender of a transaction knows the destination"
doesnt sound very impressive.
but that all that stupid "challenge" of his shows.
it isnt "tracing monero."
he just thinks its funny to make work for other people.
> doesn't sound very impressive
What it sounds like to me a serious privacy flaw that lands people in jail
> it isn't tracing
It clearly is. Tracing a cryptocurrency payment is following it from its source to its destination. Monero makes this trivial for the sender, it provides him with a cryptographic proof-of-trace in every transaction (the view key). Lightning makes it impossible under some circumstances.
dude stfu with this horseshit.
if I send you a letter I didn't "trace" the mail.
even if the receiver shares a super secret one time hashed mail drop with the sender and the letter success arrives, it isn't "tracing".
the recipient told the sender where to send the fucking thing.
you want to change what words mean so you can FUD harder.
GTFO with your bullshit.
this bullshit again
now a view key is "proof of trace"
homeboy wants people to think being told *where to send the funds* is "tracing"
when they want to redefine words you know they're coping hard.
shitcoin monero is an unimportant crypto in 2025.
Idk what that is, I've only heard of groundbreaking anonymity blockchain Monero
Oh yeah, I've heard of that! I use lightning because its tor-like routing protocol offers really good privacy protections if you run a node. Monero is that one cryptocurrency that's traceable by default, right?
https://cointelegraph.com/news/chainalysis-leak-monero-traceability
Lightning is traceable by default too, every cryptocurrency is
Then do it
A lightning invoice is attached
Why don't you pay it and tell me (1) what pubkey received the money (2) what its total balance is?
I'll do the same for monero if you like. Give me any xmr address, I will pay it and tell you (1) what pubkey received the money (2) what its total balance is
lightning:lnbc10103770p1p5rsh7mpp5dnjxpfcnt769h8l4xf7wxl3lsuluvf2f25qzjextw0k492mxq7ashp598ktapplptj7q0jg65flj8texw4rul208lljstt84adxp88kakxscqzdyxqyz5zpsp52h2ntu5c5luklflx53su43x202m2fukujrykmq3zcseaxmtjdq0s9qxpqysgqrflep2rykypncpenk6gt9flssljt9sdz2akgh6wq7s6te0ree20pa8dttqjp330fh66rscrpjn249ujw6tynnutzpf87prtncr5f88gp9eglxh
What makes you think I'm that kind of fed?
I don't think you're a fed
Now guess which IP address I am using.
People here often lack the tools for tracing. Quite different from governments which invest in specialized teams dedicated to that purpose and with legal power to force operators to disclose IP address information.
These same governments even offered quite a large bounty to break Monero privacy and yet failed (look it up)
So I probably can't do what you're suggesting
Neither could a fed
The criminal kind of fed can
Nah
Wishful thinking isn't good protection
Big difference between lightning and monero: you, a random nostr user, admit you don't have the resources to trace a lightning payment. I, a random nostr user, can provably trace a monero payment. Anyone can, because monero is designed to be trivially sender-traceable.
Monero is surveillance money. I recommend using lightning.
Trace a Monero payment then, moron
Lightning works
No one paid this invoice yet but if some one does can use this tool https://github.com/andrerfneves/lightning-decoder
Payee pubkey https://terminal.lightning.engineering/explore/0371d1be108e08d70ec12302abce6e927b0d3b687468ed00c9536ec6e683273e42
I used trampoline routing with a decoy pubkey. Meaning you got the wrong recipient. The actual recipient was Tating Turnup on nostr; Epic Astronaut merely runs a routing node. (See lnproxy.org for more on how this works.) Meaning if you were a chain analyst, you are now stuck watching the wrong pubkey! You've been led on a wild goose chase. Even if Epic Astronaut closes his channel, you'll be following the wrong person's money. Decpy pubkeys is a trick lightning can do but monero can't.
Rent free in your heads š
