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Amethyst 0.37.0: NIP-95 (Images on relays)

Now your images can be spread to as many or as few relays as you want.

- Adds popup to choose which image server to use by nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z

- Adds choice of NostrImg.com by nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z

- Adds choice of NIP-95 relays by nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z

- BugFix for AUTH w/ Nostr.wine by nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z

Download:

- Play Edition with Translations: https://github.com/vitorpamplona/amethyst/releases/download/v0.37.0/amethyst-googleplay-universal-v0.37.0.apk

- F-Droid Edition without Translations: https://github.com/vitorpamplona/amethyst/releases/download/v0.37.0/amethyst-fdroid-universal-v0.37.0.apk

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Discussion

Crizzo 2y ago

Since notes are not editable or deletable, what do you think about an option to have a 3 second timer when you tap post so you can cancel it you see a typo?

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Great idea. I also though about a preview before posting it. When people see the post as it will be displayed, they are more inclined to stop and verify it. Do you want to put a bounty into it?

Crizzo 2y ago

How does that work?

Derek Ross 2y ago

So any relays support NIP-95? Which ones?

QW 2y ago

👀

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

It's about event size for now. I was able to upload memes to many of them... Large images not so much.

Derek Ross 2y ago

Interesting.

Derek Ross 2y ago

I must be missing something on this NIP. I'll have to read it again later.

Heri Sim 2y ago

So confused. Isn't NIP95 just metadata?

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Nip 94 is metadata. Nip 95 is full file in relays.

Heri Sim 2y ago

NIP-95 sounds like a lot of legal liability, depending on your juridiction.

How to handle outright abuses?

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

In the same way you have to handle them in text. The legal framework is quite similar.

Derek Ross 2y ago

The big questions are now, which relays will implement NIP-95 and then which relay operators will enable it?

#[0]

QW 2y ago

He’s gone rogue.

Derek Ross 2y ago

jb55 2y ago

Definitely not mine

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Are you sure? Because you are already hosting 7 NIP-95 images :)

jb55 2y ago

I’m blocking it now

QW 2y ago

👀

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

See, that's your legitimate choice.

Derek Ross 2y ago

😂

Derek Ross 2y ago

😂

nym 2y ago

That would drastically increase the storage requirements of your server right? You’re already paying $600+ per month for Damus servers

jb55 2y ago

Yes and storing binary data in json is very inefficient. Not to mention note size limits.

The Fishcake (nostr.build) 2y ago

Yes, and yes! 🐶🐾🫡💯💯💯

Aida 2y ago

Single value is a valid json. So it is as (un)efficient as base64...

Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

Hang on so I can limit images to only one relay???

NostrFans will be launching earlier than planned!

Bill Cypher 2y ago

I thought that was what onlyzaps was when I first heard about it.

Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

Lol same haha.

Mine actually is what you think it is. I've just been waiting for a way to limit images to subscribers only. Now I have it!

Bill Cypher 2y ago

Then we're going to find out if #[10] likes hairy, busted toenail, half chipped off nail polish, mat burn scarred, H width feet or just the classically pretty ones.

Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

🤣

Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

Amethyst has added the function to choose what relays your images spread to.

With this, I should be able to get an alpha build of NostrFans up and running very shortly.

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zoomoutpls 2y ago

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Change this if you want 2y ago

Isn’t someone can target specific relay with a lot of MB images data? 🤔 Then relay will just block it.

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

They don't need NIP-95 for that. You can simply send large kind 1s.

s3x_SOCIAL 2y ago

On my to-do list for tomorrow… Add Kind 30064 to my relay’s blacklist… Problem solved. No CSAM on my server…

Change this if you want 2y ago

🤷‍♂️

s3x_SOCIAL 2y ago

Kind 30064 is NIP-95 files. Given that I run an explicitly sex and porn-friendly relay I don’t want to run the risk of actually hosting child porn.

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Good call. But NIP 95 is not your main problem. I assume you know that people can do this with any event kind. If they just want to turn your server into a storage of illegal content, they have all the nips available to do so. I would target the intention, not the tool.

s3x_jay 2y ago

When it comes to getting hauled into court intent matters. I can document a track record of working to prevent the dissemination of CSAM and other illegal content.

Rabble and I proposed “NIP-69” as a first step to get workable, bottom-up content moderation on Nostr.

Just today I somewhat publicly challenged the ASACP (the porn industry’s organization that fights CSAM) to get involved in the content moderation questions related to Nostr. I asked them to make statements supporting your approach to NIP-94 and to oppose NIP-95.

I’m doing my part. My intent is clear.

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Can Amethyst add anything in the upload interface to help you?

s3x_SOCIAL 2y ago

Thanks for asking (seriously). I'm not a lawyer, but having been in the adult industry for ~15 years I've learned a thing or two…

The problem is if you're hosting adult content (images/videos, it's not really an issue with text) you need proof of consent and proof of age (plus the proof ownership or license to use that you need for all content). The site doesn't always have to have proof of consent / age on file, but it does need to confirm that they exist.

For example - take a photo of someone else on a beach and upload it to the Internet - no problem - it's a public place and there's no expectation of privacy. Do the same thing on a nude beach and you need proof of age and proof of consent.

The moment you host something without at least a nominal check of age and consent you open yourself up to all sorts of problems. The laws on CSAM and things like revenge porn are really strict and the penalties are often harsh. Big corporations get away with more because they have teams of lawyers. But a single significant legal incident can put a small company out of business.

I've got over a million unique images in my porn database at the moment (and probably another 600K or so I need to import). It's terabytes of data. And if I've learned one thing dealing with those is you don't store images/videos in databases - you store them externally.

nostr:npub1xv6axulxcx6mce5mfvfzpsy89r4gee3zuknulm45cqqpmyw7680q5pxea6 had suggested an approach where there was a more traditional POST to submit the image/video. That's something I could consider. But then it gets to your interface question - I'd need some sort of confirmation of:

- ownership/license

- consent

- age

But it's one thing when someone confirms those things on my site, but it's another thing for me to trust a 3rd party to confirm those things. Maybe… But I'd have to think about it some more.

But at the end of the day storing images/videos in the relay database is a non-starter for me even with all the documents in the world. I know better than to do that. Which is why I love NIP-94, but not NIP-95.

s3x_SOCIAL 2y ago

And done. Kind 30064 has been blocked on relay.s3x.social.

I thought briefly about just specifying a really small size so it could be used for things like animated emojis - but then I took a look at how much you could show in a small file and I figured that was a bad idea as well. The pic below is only 21kb and it shows plenty - enough that if the content were illegal it would be a problem.

Let people put their CSAM on someone else's relay!

https://void.cat/d/TNcQJ1nbGEPCxXUqTTMMzR.webp

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Wrong kind, though. 30064 was in an old version of the NIP. The current ones are 1064 for file headers and 1065 for the actual base64 data.

s3x_SOCIAL 2y ago

Thanks! But isn't it the other way around?

> Another defined event is the `1065` which is used as a header for the data contained in an event 1064. This way the data can be disclosed without overloading the communications when sending a large amount of data.

For now I've blocked both. Is there any point storing the header if you're not going to store the data?

IntuitiveGuy☯️ 2y ago

👀

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美图Bot 2y ago

没忍住升级了37版本，试试看吧🌚🌚

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Mat 2y ago

nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z would be really happy if you would add nostr:npub1zxzmle6ysrvsqa4fujq352hsvclhu5faenyl6qnvxy3ux229z2aslmvwsx https://nostrfiles.dev/ as an image and video service 🙂

I am also offering audio messages since a bit. Maybe this could be another interesting feature for Amethyst as well?

Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Any chance you can have your server reply via a Relay API with NIP 95 data? You could just store all images as NIP-95 events (say saving the json file itself on disk) and send them back signed via that interface.