What is spam in the context of Bitcoin? Isn’t fee amount the only determinator?
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anything but cash is spam
So you mean secondary use
1. as persistent storage (e.g. fake Multisig)
2. as publication medium (e.g. for time-stamping)
3. as general smart contract (e.g. time-locks)
…?
I particularly like the time-locks and wouldn’t consider these spam even if it means we carry them around.
I guess lightning channels are spam then huh?
lightning is a differnt network, a different technology
centralized, operated by corporations
do your own research
None of what you said is incorrect. So you're saying we should censor channel opens because they're spam by your definition. I just want to make sure I have this clear.
By your definition, Bitcoin will never scale because any attempt at an L2 isn't "cash" and should be censored?
lightning shares only the fiat price with bitcoin
it has nothing else with bitcoin in common. a different architecture, a centralized network operated by corporations which only works if it becomes more and more centralized. they allow you to open nodes but because of the architecture all of the small nodes will have to run through the big nodes which are operated by corporations, the same criminals who are doing all hoaxes and fake diseases.
you even need to 'exchange' lightning into bitcoin paying high fees
Again... I don't disagree with you here. But it does scale Bitcoin... Just not in the way that we as Bitcoiners would like it to.
Seems like you're avoiding my questions though...
you are unable to debate because you are obviously in a cult.
name one fact i have posted which is wrong and prove why it is wrong.
you can't
Can you read? I'm highly critical of lightning... I've said I agreed with what you're saying. Then I asked you questions and you haven't clarified or answered any of them. Looks like the pot calling the kettle black to me... What are we even debating? You haven't made a claim I disagree other than censoring certain transactions, and I asked you if channel opens should be censored to clarify YOUR position. My position is clear. Don't censor any transactions.
I appreciate your calm.
Lightning is cash too
In your opinion... That's the point. Spam, cash, VALUE is subjective. Satoshi already solved the spam problem with proof of work.
Also, I would agree, lightning Bitcoin is mostly used as cash.
centralized lightning with its seperate network, has nothing to do with satoshi nakamoto
read his whitepaper
Wow I'm not talking about lightning... I'm talking about transactions on main net.
Keep simping though.
bitcoin has very high fees that is why it is unuseable for payments.
monero or litecoin have extremely low fees and are used for payments providing privacy. monero the best privacy and ultralow fees.
The problem is the lack of moral compass.
You are saying that an idiot with an infinite amount of money can destroy the Bitcoin network or at least make it useless just because he can pay for it. Congratulations.
Exactly, but Luke thinks he can decide how people have to use bitcoin. That’s why he call it „spam“ or „bug“ or „vulnerability“