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The point is you are being pedantic to make your argument.

I am not being pedantic, you said spanking was not hitting because you have a negative connotation with the word hitting but not with spanking. Essentially rather than arguing the truth of the situation you want to argue so it *sounds* like the situation that you *feel* that it is. What you should be doing is explain exactly the situations and logic in which hitting children is justified if you think those situations exist. What you seem to have been doing above is attempting to justify it not by actually standing by your actions, but by excusing them when there are “too any kids” and then saying it’s a “special form of hitting that isn’t really hitting.” Both of which actually concede the argument and try to create special case exceptions, rather than being direct about what is happening and being ok with it. If you are fine with what is happening, why does having one kid make it different, and why are you trying to literally use word choice to defend it rather than a strong argument.

In other words, if it’s truly justified and makes sense, you don’t have to sugar coat the wording. Just defend why it’s acceptable and necessary to hit children in certain situations to ensure they aren’t little assholes if that is your stance.

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™ 1y ago

Hitting a child is never acceptable, no matter what you call it. nostr:npub1h8nk2346qezka5cpm8jjh3yl5j88pf4ly2ptu7s6uu55wcfqy0wq36rpev is once again astute in his observations and correct in calling out hypocrisy.

Guy Swann 1y ago

I will say that I don’t mean to judge or make a claim about anyone here. I have zero doubt that everyone here loves their kids more than anything. But I think a lot of parents who don’t care the slightest about their kids (and thus don’t spank them) are equated as consequence OF not spanking, which is irrelevant to the situation. Kids who have uninvolved, uncaring parents are just generally pieces of shit as adults. They aren’t the same.

You can love your kids more than anything and spank them, and you can despise your kids or completely ignore them and not spank them. The loved kid will absolutely turn out better. But that doesn’t mean spanking/hitting is a crucial form of punishment to teach children a lesson. I am arguing that it teaches them to behave because of fear of someone else, rather than for the benefit it’s to them and the cost it is to innocent people when they are awful.

Thus, in the former situation, they are more likely to be awful again when the big scary person isn’t around.

™ 1y ago

I’m not afraid to call it what it is: a cycle of violence perpetuated by incompetence. Love is not on trial here.

Guy Swann 1y ago

Sure, but I think people take it as not caring for their child. It would be like telling a parent that they are purposefully poisoning their child by vaccinating them. It may very well be true, but most people will stop listening as soon as it’s framed that way.

I think it’s important to realize that tons of people, all of us included, in some way will do things incorrectly, or even bad things, specifically because we think it’s the *right* thing to do for those we love. It’s just a an unfortunate reality of being human.

™ 1y ago

No doubt. Everyone sees themselves as the hero and yet villains exist. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.

The sign of a superior being is its ability to be kind to inferior ones. I won’t congratulate anyone on hitting their dog either.

OceanSlim 1y ago

Hitting infers abuse. Spanking is not abuse. But sure, I will argue why it's acceptable to hit your children for the same reasons I've already stated. A 3 year old does not have the understanding to have a discussion about why what they are doing is wrong. You start there. Then they keep doing it. Then you say don't do that again. They do again. Then you say don't do it again, or I'm going to hit you. They do it again. A swift smack on the bum bum communicates to a 3 year old what nothing else can.

ElectronicsQuestions 1y ago

I live in Sweden. Spanking is abuse, both according to the law and general opinion. Children here are generally not misbehaving more than in other places AFAIK.