Social media is the first step in bootstrapping the "trust" network and proving the utility of Nostr. The problem is that social-first is highly saturated and honestly not that interesting; the "global" view and town square models have largely been captured and also don't seem sustainable and reliable over time as AI fills more and more of the content landscape. Unless the focus is on more niche and nascent communities, this is not what will allow Nostr to grow; we can see this with the relative lack of user inflows during outage and censorship events (though those tools are obviously much better served on Nostr than siloed platforms, so it's still a very important thing to work towards freeing the town square).

What will supplant standard social media as the driver for greater adoption will be placing the movement of money at the front and center of applications. This means marketplaces, yes, but also more UX focused on encouraging and reducing the friction of social monetary movement, like baked-in wallets, zap-first feeds, and (of course) nuts in emojis. Money makes the trade-offs between the silos and open networks much more obvious and incentivizes users to learn to care. Owning the social graph and content itself is powerful, but not convincing enough; the capital flow that the social graph unlocks is key.

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Zaps are cringe and nobody cares about encoding ecash as emoji outside of this bubble. One of the reasons I have not updated my address to receive zaps since 2022.

I thought you would say this... 😅

I now how you feel about ecash, so I won't even go there. With zaps I can somewhat see what you mean, but the fundamental thing is that it changes the consumer behavior to go out for your way to pay someone for something that was put out for free, and that alone is quite powerful in shifting the way people use the internet and money over it.

I'm not sure I agree or at least not fully. The other stuff is key to success, but not solely via the movement of money. Money will be involved, but the value must come from within, from other utility. I honestly think the biggest adoption will come with need for decentralized open-source infrastructure. Microsoft owns GitHub and one day they can turn it from haven to hell and then Nostr Git will be the perfect replacement. Payments will happen because people will realize that if something is free they are the product or they are in hands of a hobbyist who is providing with no guarantee whatsoever...

The reason money movement, at least in my view, is critical to increasing usage is because people are too accustomed to having everything paid for on a rolling basis and being passive purchasers. Your last statement on payments is a hopeful outlook, but won't play out because most people don't and just won't care about "being a product" or supporting a hobbyist. There has to be an intrinsic and seamless shift towards changing that for a value and utility-based internet, yes, which comes from getting people to be directly involved in the transferring of money.

I do see infrastructure as a great way to get more people onboarded as well; I actually think Nostr should be primarily "marketed" towards product builders as a cheaper and more resilient architecture, rather than to media consumers as an uncensorable network. That also ties in with you utility and value driven point, with more builders bringing more utility and unlocking more value.

Money movement or payment is always a friction point plus the need for at least basic understanding of Bitcoin makes the friction at least 10 times stronger. People will figure it out, but only if there is something of value which can not be obtained easier elsewhere. It is going to be a challenge... The switch in the messaging is something we can fully agree on.