Actually that’s not how banking works.

A bank doesn’t need any money to make a loan.

The Central Banks can create money to buy government bonds, but that’s not how the majority of money is created.

The majority of money in supply is created by commercial banks who create money by making loan.

They DO create credit.

When you get a loan they don’t transfer reserves to you, they merely add credit to your account from nowhere. They record this loan as a liability for you and an asset for them.

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I don’t think you read what I said.

Maybe I missed some inflection?

But credit IS literally created every day in every bank.

Horses mouth…

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/how-is-money-created

trust me, I know how banks work. the point being made there is about language.

So just a different definition of the word “credit”?

no, an examination of what “credit” means.

I just think arguing about this stuff from the perspective of normative ethics to demonstrate the folly of the system is severely misguided. I think people can say "fractional reserve banking is fraud" until the cows come home, and unless governments outright banned it, the incentives to do it will persist indefinitely. Because there's actual productive efficiencies to be found in time arbitrage markets, even though they contain obvious tail-risks.

I find it amusing that people think FRB is merely a creature of the state, and that a stateless market maximalist society would collective come to understand it is fraud through universally accepted ethics, in the vein of Rothbard or Hoppe. I think FRB would not only exist, but there'd be even more extreme versions of it.

who thinks this?

AnCap bitcoiners often appear to.

well then they are very silly, aren’t they?

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