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Also, women didn't vote for suffrage. Men did. Most women actually didn't want voting rights as they didn't want the responsibility the could be associated with it (like a draft)

The evidence of how this has affected women is clear at this point. Women are a lot more depressed now than before suffrage.

Please do t take what I'm saying out of context to mean I don't think women shouldn't have a vote. I'm all for civil rights for every individual. Maximum freedom. But don't fool yourself into believing that more choices always makes you more happy. Some things are better off not being participated in, that doesn't mean I think you shouldn't have the freedom to do it anyways.

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If women should have the franchise at all, it should only be married women with children.

Oh look, another reason I oppose the State and majority-rule democracy.

Most Libertarian leaning White men oppose the state because it's been hijacked by their enemies to disenfranchise them from the land and nation-state that their forefathers created specifically for THEM.

Not me.

If you had a nation state whose prime directive was "What's good for White men?", and acted accordingly, would you oppose it?

Exactly as much as I oppose every other state, yes.

So you are opposed in principle to the institution of the state in all scenarios, in any form?

correct.

in my view, the State is the _organization of the political means to wealth_ and the political means is always, fundamentally, coercive, extractive and violent. as opposed to the _economic means_ to wealth, which is characterized by voluntary exchange, and is thus nonviolent and non-coercive.

Married women with children are specifically the people that shouldn't be working a normal job the least. People will act like this is a controversial statement but it's just a hard truth. Women are happier when they stay home take care of their children and household than they are working up the corporate ladder. It's not a shocking statement. Everyone would be happier regardless of gender if they could do that. But women are much better at taking care of children than men.

They're also people who are vested in the future and have "skin in the game".

Granting the universal franchise for anyone who can fog a mirror has been a disaster.

All I'm saying is it's up to each individual to decide that on their own. And back to my original note... There is obvious calculation that might make a person - male or female - decide to work and get paid.

I agree with that statement. I would just point out that for most people marriage is more often than not a much better route to success for an individual.

The same way I believe it's up to each individual to decide if they want to do heroin or not. That doesn't mean choosing or not choosing heroin doesn't have its consequences for most people.

It's not the best metaphor because not getting married won't actually kill you... But getting married and staying married usually leads to far more successful people

Laeserin 8mo ago

It does.