How can you say you own your data on nostr when you just send it to a relay someone else controls?
AND THEN I can pull it and train AI on it without your knowledge or permission!?!?
Not trying to be dick, I just struggle with these narratives.
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The thinking behind it is that you are able to hold your own data (have your own relay).
Sure most data will be public to everyone.
Yeah it's bs. You can't own public data.
You can be IN CONTROL of your data though, and on nostr in particular you can be in control of your digital existence, and that's kind of a big deal.
You cannot own any information. You can only own energy and it's locked-up form.
i disagree. you can own information, my creating it and memorizing it in your head.
Private data is very similar to potential energy you own. you can use it once by making it public, and that energy gets converted into information you don't own anymore.
Expanding on nostr:npub1dergggklka99wwrs92yz8wdjs952h2ux2ha2ed598ngwu9w7a6fsh9xzpc 's point, you can't own public data, you can only own your private data (i.e. nsec, seed phrase)
I more or less agree, but I do still disagree on a kind of edge-case: you don't have EXCLUSIVE access (ownership) to that data in principle. If someone else happened to generate the same information in their head, by chance, they'd also "own" the exact same bits of information at the same time - meaning you "both own it", which breaks the definition. This is different than theft: when someone steals from you, the singular exclusive access is transferred from you to them. You can steal property, but you can only copy information.
Information is just a pattern of bits. In practice, it might be infeasible to arrive at the same pattern of bits as someone else, but in principle it's possible. Does it make sense for "ownership feasibility" to be a function of the level of complexity of your randomness algorithm..? At which point along the spectrum does it go from "ownable" to "basically free for everyone"? And isn't this dependent upon the level of information technology available at any given moment?
And if you've ever "leaked" those bits, now they are infinitely copyable, and no longer ownable with exclude access. What kind of property can _sometimes_ be ownable but has a one-way ticket to "free for everyone forever" built into it...?
I think you are confusing data types by treating them as absolute data. Your data on Nostr is not private, at the same time, it is yours in the sense that no one can force you not to share it, except in specific situations. The types of data you are referring to do not apply to Nostr, nor should they be shared. They are data that must be protected. Now, if your thoughts, beliefs, and opinions are important to the point that you do not want them to be mined, cataloged, and used, then neither Nostr, nor any social network, or email platform, centralized web messenger applications, etc. are really for you, because they are using this data or intend to use it regardless of your will and/or knowledge.
At Nostr, I don't care about data security per se. What interests me is anonymity, and the impossibility of being gagged by a force I cannot control.