Been reading a little about astrology. Still quite mysterious, but I see a fork in the road already. Western vs Vedic.

Western astrology is so obsessed with symmetry, it disregards the actual time of year that the sun transits the constellation, and imposes an axis across opposing pairs of houses. This seems odd, considering the whole system is supposed to derive from the concept of "unus mundus."

Vedic or "sidereal" (I dislike this word. How say?) astrology adheres to where the constellation actually is, and doesn't require symmetry. In this version, the 13th sign is included - Ophiuchus, the serpent, associated with healing and Asclepius. I think there's a story of some form about how serpents became demonized in the west - it wasn't always so - and I think it has to do with making Judas a bad guy, which itself is a hell of a rabbit hole, and quite unfortunate.

I'm not really sold on the idea that these constellations are correlated with personality. I can see it in unaware people, Normie's of all sorts. I don't see it at all in aware people. That, in my mind, makes it more likely that they are simply allowing themselves to be told who they are, instead of making that determination for themselves. Regardless, if you think astrology holds water (hehe), you might be interested in your sign adjusted to include Ophiuchus (sidereal astrology).

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All is projection of mind. If we choose to believe in stars providing meaning, they will. Just like if we choose to observe numerology, we start seeing patterns in numbers. It's up to you. Personally, I like maps.

nope.

some cosmic-level narcissism on display though.

Oh indeed. I fully agree. But not how you want.

wasnt talking to you.

Should I care?

not sure

this is nothing but relativism clothed up in gynocentric new age psychologism.

so weird when you think about it.

brings to mind this image if only we could kaleidescopically fractal that shit - nothing personal haha:

I like maps too, but I'm kinda bored with earth's map. Earth is too well explored. Symbolic maps still hold some mystique for me.

I used to completely disregard things like astrology. Something happened and now I find that my compass is generally tuned to that which others don't see. This reality is truly magical if we allow it in.

me me me

Same. Its still hard to take it seriously, but that's not because of the system itself, but more because people give away their freewill to it. So finding the mechanics underneath all the "I am this and that" stuff is the challenge.

Its never helpful to overodentify with any label. I have been down many different rabbit holes looking for a "reason" why I am the way I am. Best for me to surrender to what is and be grateful for what it is.

kinda meaningless though when you think its all a "projection" of your own focus...

which is it man?

if you know IPA:

sai dE ri El

the real astrology, western, is known as horary... known as Christian Astrology to Lilly who "wrote the book" on it.

the rest is a waste of time.

the modern sun-sign tabloid trash is based on alan leos garbage and then a bunch of hysterical women potsmokers.

should you care?

gfy

Thanks for your input. I'll see what else I can find about these leads. I hope you find peace and stop this hostility.

im sure you do.

You appear to be in, or at least close to, what's often called a "self justifying haze." The practice to resolve it is exactly the same practice to become aware - journal it. Write about the stages of the story as you see it, and try to remember what your goals were at each stage. Then see if/how the goals changed. Its magic. You'll discover some cool stuff.

where i am is sick of pandering to grown mens FEMALE sense of fucking entitlement and unexamined social conformity as to exactly how and why and in what way they shall be educated out of their traitorous and universally retarded upbringings when we are supposed to be after the fucking Truth and the Truth alone.

tried the other way for many years...

people do not deserve it.

wait till you see what comes after me...

I share your drive for the Truth. Have you found it? Where is it hidden?

Don't hate women. That's silly. They just mirror you. I'm sure some will take offense to that, but its true. How you treat yourself is how they treat you.

What is more entitled than impatience or anger?

I'm seeing this too much on nostr. Its just about every day. It sounds like you see it too. It just doesn't accomplish anything, this being rude to each other and then magnifying the problem - its self justifying haze. You start with some minor thing, then clash egos, then then that becomes justification for the next thing, and in the end people just block each other. Be sick of the pattern, notice the cause. Its ego, entitlement as you said, and impatience.

i never said i hated women.

i said that men imagining they are entitled to being coaxed gently and cordially to truth or correction is a female quality.

modern westerners are absolutely intolerable and their protruding illusion deserves no quarter...

Truth can be found here for one place:

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.78726

That may be true in some cases. Heck, I think I've said the same. Just... Don't over apply it.

I think people just need to stop asking permission. It's not about being tough or more truthful or better this or that. Just do what you want. Believe what you want. But also be patient.

Guenon was a magician. If you're interested in following a magician, do the first thing they did - observe yourself, cultivate patience.

ok dad thanks for the advice.

a magician? are you referring to his early days in the freemason and spiritist circles of France?

thats really not a decent single word framing of the man dude...

terribly misses the thrust of his important work.

He only ever went deeper. He felt estranged from western magic because he couldn't find a truthful initiatory path. His name is even a reference to his aspiration. Eventually he ended up in Cairo - an excellent place for such things - and became a Muslim, at least for all outward appearances. I think he found Tariqah in the end, but idk.

he rejected magic and you should too

Cope. You believe falsehoods and your childish anger is meaningless. Do some proper due diligence in the future, and never listen to whoever's been lying to you again. Or don't. Not my problem.

cope for what lol?

and fuck off with your pseudo-altruistic faggoty psychologizing.

go discuss with your wife.

You are a genuine idiot. You have only made assumptions. Fuck off, dipshit.

Also, you:

and by the way, whatever you are doing here is absolutely cringe and is gonna get you blocked for being a weirdo condemned to the darkness of vanity.

EVERYONe knows that Guenon advocated a strictly Orthodox path to God.

He wandered through the Spiritist and occult circles in France in his youth but later disavowed, repented and became a harsh critic of those “paths”. He was a pure metaphysician and believed in intellection, not the technical and complex sorceries of those who wish to manipulate realms in that way.

He didnt even allow for syncretism so I don’t know where the fuck you are getting your information from and I don’t give a shit either.

wait for it…

go fuck yourself.

“Magick” is the dragging down of authentic revealed Tradition (broadly, revelatory religion) to Utilitarianism.

https://charles-upton.com/works/metaphysics-and-social-criticism-demonology-eschatology/the-system-of-antichrist-2/

you:

It is pronounced sidereal.

Had to make the joke since no one else did.

I think side ear eal, those parts have 1, 1, and 2 syllables respectively. Long e, short a on the last 2 syllables. That should get you close.

Oddly, can't remember what it means as I type this even though I remember the pronunciation.

nostr:nprofile1qqst4t762m3chjvqgaak6katmyh4v4wtkfky9jrfnphh8s3kjm8mtlcpzemhxue69uhkzem8wghxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309a5xjum59ehx7um5wghxcctwvshszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7xh758j 4 syllables. Consider yourself challenged.

I even looked it up and still can't give a coherent definition. Something something fixed positions astronomy something. Yeah. That's it.

Like actually fixed positions? If you think anything in astronomy has a fixed position you're an idiot. I'm not attacking you there just making a note for if I ever hear someone use that word seriously.

Any answer I give will be wrong because I didn't understand the definition. I think it was fixed in relation to the horizon at a certain time of year, but as to why, idk. Ugh, I don't want to go figure it out...

Not sure I've got enough coffee in me to make that one work 🤔🤷‍♂️

Thanks for the shoutout though 👊