Permanence in social media is a bug not a feature.
This is why we added a expiration date to posts from nos.social.
Discussion
Wow 😯
what if this gets seen on other relays that don’t respect the ephemeralness?
it’s kind 1, I don’t think most relays will support this tag… maybe it might work if it’s a separate note kind that non-ephemeral relays just won’t accept 
What does it mean for a post to expire?
Does your relay or client drop the note, and/or send an event asking other relays to drop it?
Do you think the future will likely involve most relays that support this as a default?
A step in the right direction. Don’t stop there.
How does it delete on the protocol level? Or is it a client only thing?
I’m struggling with it being a bug and not a feature. Serious question. Can it be both?
I can think of many things I wish I could take back, but some brought growth and understanding. Bad takes that don’t age well, or notes containing incredible conversations possibly lost.
I’m not sure how I’ll feel about this post in the morning. I hope I can still delete it.
Here is how I think about this. When you are out to dinner with friends the conversation around the table is ephemeral, no matter how amazing.
We don’t “record” the dinner conversation. We may take a few pictures to remember the occasion but once dinner is over, the conversations live in our memories only.
I think almost all social media content should be the same.
If there is anything of real importance that should be “remembered” write a blog post, or keep the notes in your personal journal if it’s that important to preserve.
Most of daily contacts with family, friends, coworkers is ephemeral only the really important stuff is recorded for posterity.
I agree, but if we set a timer on a note would we then have a choice to cancel the TTL in order to save the conversation?
Maybe Time To Live that checks for a permanence by the note’s owner. Idk - shooting from the hip here. I see context for both situations.
You may decide something is worth saving After it’s posted. Often reasons people repost content.
Cool! Perfect for ironic and sarcastic people like me 😅
I also wanna be able to unrepost, if that’s possible, cause once I accidentally didn’t write what I wanted and couldn’t repost in the correct way later. *ordering like if I was in a restaurante* 🤣
This is awesome. I hope that #[1] can add this as well.
Social media that pretends to be conversational, but messages are permanent, relies on surveillance capitalism for server costs, and empowers obnoxious people who don't care about unthoughtful comments lasting forever. They appear more "real" on twitter, as the rest of us treat posts as a permanent publishing platform
Shouldn’t we consider all posts permanent until webs of trust develop in private channels. A new user may have a false sense of security thinking something isn’t permanent. It’s out there, and will be collected if it can be collected.
Sort of presses on a need for private torrents/galaxies/channels so people can distinguish the difference. Public commons vs encrypted webs of trust.
TTLs would be extremely useful! They just don’t protect against surveillance and to some extent permanency.
I agree we need real private messages and groups.
I’ve looked at lots of ways to do this and I believe this is most promising.
https://p2panda.org/specification/encryption
We’ll need to figure out how for clients to store a set of keys for the groups they’re in. We can do it by encrypting a key collection in an event for the client itself.
MLS is a pretty well thought out of way of doing encrypted groups. In particular p2panda has found a way to do it in a decentralized architecture where the servers simply are dumb data stores like exists with nostr.
From the notes:
Private groups with Sender Ratchet Secrets
Ephemeral AEAD secrets, derived from MLS Secret Tree of current group epoch, used on a per-message base, gives Forward Secrecy (FS) and Post-Compromise Security (PCS).
Advantages:
* Provides strong security for any size of group, even very large groups
* Every message is encrypted with an individual key, attackers will not be able to read past data or future data when a key got compromised
Disadvantages:
* Members joining a group later will not be able to decrypt past data
* Clients have to store decrypted messages somewhere on their end as keys get useless soon
🔥 Now I feel like I’ll sleep well. Pretty remarkable environment. Nostr is a whole other Wittgensteinian language-game. 🤯
You all are amazing!
nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z
When expiring notes in #Amethyst ?
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Nos.social available for? 💯👑
Ah I like this!