In 1999, I lived in Albania for a period of time after the complete collapse of both the government and the economy. This is what i saw…

Within 2 years, the people themselves had built a working local economy, even importing goods from other parts of the world, which had been impossible under the previous regime. They traded in cash, the Deutschmark, since their currency was worthless.

There were no functioning banks. Currency exchange happened in a particular part of town where money changers congregated, and you would negotiate trade percentages with them. Surprisingly, these places were largely crime free, and while the changers would try to trick you into higher percentages, they would not rob you because if they did, their long term ability to make money would be compromised through reputation. The other money changers tried to prevent crime to keep their business appealing. And because they were competing, you could get pretty good deals if you were smart.

These changers would trade with big time traders, usually mafia, who could get in and out of the country. They traded fairly with the changers in order keep the profits going, and um…”strongly discouraged” overtly criminal behavior on the part of the on the street changers.

Another unexpected thing was crime. While petty crime was rampant, large scale crime was almost non existent. I eventually learned from locals that the mafia made it clear that if you crossed a certain line, you would just disappear. The mafia understood that if society completely collapsed, everything they had would disappear. So they actually enforced a “no extreme violent crime” law of sorts.

But here is the weirdest thing.. people stopped at intersections. They generally obeyed traffic laws which no longer existed and could not be enforced. The people themselves did this to prevent chaos. This blew me away, and completely changed my ideas about government.

A restaurant i would frequent was owned by a large Albanian man who always had a 45 auto on his hip. No one got out of line there. And as he was on the beach, anyone who showed up by boat to steal pretty Albanian girls for trafficking, would be shot at, making his part of the beach one of the safest.

A few years later, when government began to be restored, all of the peoples small booth stores which had been built along the sidewalks were torn down by that government, taxes were re-instituted, and many of the imported goods i used to buy from those families were no longer available unless you were wealthy. Many of the out door events which the people would organize ceased.

Crime increased. Everything returned to normal.

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Nice story. Thanks for sharing 💜

Yes, yes thanks for sharing. A lot to think about.

Government is a cancer no matter the side.

I think specifically people do not understand just how dangerous government bureaucracy is. People treat it like it’s neutral. They should treat it like nuclear waste.

Without expensive containment systems, it will kill everyone who experiences prolonged contact with it.

Couldn't disagree.

They either don't understand the dangerous precedent that interloping bureaus create, or they love being slaves

Then they moved to Queens NY

People used to tell me that Myanmar was dangerous but this sums up my experience of people living in a 'failed state' but without the Mafia because the state had the monopoly on violence. Though I've hung out in areas where that wasn't the case and found them safer than home. The only difference between this and my 2009-2012 experiences of Myanmar was that the people were also always super nice.

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Wow. Thank you so much for sharing your experience.

What a thing it must have been to witness a thriving market and human cooperation emerge in the absence of a functioning government.

And then have it taken away. Every government truly is a destructive parasite.

Let the human action happens in the free market system will make make the society thrive. Fuck the gov! They ruin everything.

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So the government caused its own collapse and then stepped back in to make everything worse after civilization stabilized itself.

Essentially yes. There were some other events like the National Bank running a ponzi scheme and then bank officials disappearing with all of the money into Italy, followed by the population storming the military bases and stealing all the weapons, but yes. Your description is accurate.

Thanks for tell us this story 🙏

This is social media at its best.

Fascinating account sir.

Do you know of any areas that maintained this after the government came back

no. i had left by the time this happened. but i saw footage of government bulldozers tearing down all of the small stores and fruit stands. and when google earth came out, i looked at what had been done. everything had been sterilized.

there was a street end which had been blocked off by the people, where everyone in town would get dressed up and walk down in the early evening. it was one of the coolest cultural traditions i had ever seen. get out and talk to all your neighbors and make friends.

this was also removed.

there are stores and clean streets and lots of foreign investment now. especially Chinese. and things are safer in some parts of town. so some people are happy. but in my opinion, they definitely lost something valuable.