Onboarding and quality are the key issues at the moment. Lack of credible search next.
Looking at some of the stats and comparing Bluesky to Nostrโฆ. Norhing profound, but kind of useful to remind ourselves of scale.
Using data from:
* Nostr: https://stats.nostr.band/
* bluesky: https://bsky.jazco.dev/
* fediverse: https://fediverse.observer/stats
Avg Daily Posts:
* Nostr: 80k
* Bluesky: 520k
* Fediverse 36m
Average Daily Reactions / Likes:
* Nostr: 50k
* Bluesky: 2m
* Fediverse: ?
Discussion
Great point ๐โ
We need an OSS search since all I know of are black boxes.
Quality โฆ notes? Or quality client?
The quality problem is difficult to solve, even if Damus is opened each time, it is difficult to successfully connect Relay to obtain data, and generally need to exit two or three times to successfully connect Relay.
Search is difficult to use under the current technical structure, because there is no large stable Relay to provide data search services, resulting in confusing search results.
New technical solutions may be sought, and local database services such as Nostr.band may be needed, which are fast and accurate in speed and data, with the disadvantage of lacking a decentralized Relay.
Iโm curious your experience if youโve tried nostr:npub1pu3vqm4vzqpxsnhuc684dp2qaq6z69sf65yte4p39spcucv5lzmqswtfch. Weโve got a local db and do a lot to try and make the experience consistent and reliable. Feedback, especially critical feedback, is immensely helpful.
Great. I'll give it a try๐
i personally wrote a hit piece on BlueSky and then joined Nostr myself.
the reason people go to BlueSky and not Nostr is because they know Bluesky will be same shit as Twitter but with a shiny new wrapper plus it's by invitation, which makes you feel special. so BlueSky is really offering people to feel better about themselves without any real change.
meanwhile with Nostr they know it's something different and they are afraid of change. people don't want to BE they want to SIGNAL.
Bluesky is about signaling. Nostr is about substance.
This is why Nostr will always be small - because most people have none ( substance ).
nostr:npub13ql75nq8rldygpkjke47y893akh5tglqtqzs6cspancaxktthsusvfqcg7 calls BlueSky โTrans Maoist social mediaโ ๐
Itโs Twitter for narrative addicts.
Yโall are building something important ๐๐ฝ
Waiting on the Other Stuff and not all the focus on Socials.
every user should also be a relay.
this way we would be able to have video uploads for example.
basically merge bit torrent and nostr.
you need to give up on the absurd fantasy that nostr will ever be for the masses.
accept that nostr will always be for select few and make it MORE demanding to use, not less.
demand every user be a relay with minimum requirements for bandwidth, storage and uptime. then depending on how much you offer as a server / relay is also the level of service you get in return ( can you stream 4K video hosted on Nostr ? etc. )
This is how Secure Scuttlebutt works. Scuttlebutt was the inspiration for much of what is nostr. I think we could get to efficient gossip between apps / relays which would help a lot. That said, scuttlebutt started out 100% peer to peer and offline first, and then evolved to have pubs which are like relays. We need relays for the network to function efficiently. But thereโs no reason apps canโt be local micro-relays.
Then you also get cool things like syncing over mesh networks, censorship evasion, and nostr working when the internet goes down or is non-existent.
Can we talk more about
โThen you also get cool things like syncing over mesh networks, censorship evasion, and nostr working when the internet goes down or is non-existent.โ
Cause one of the things irl frens tell me a lot is what happens when the internet goes down or ceases to exist bc of some apocalyptic shit happens, what happens to bitcoin and nostr are they usable at that point ? Or gone with the internet.. and then this is where mesh networks kick in to my brain sooo yea Iโd love to discuss this further idk maybe on a nest or something
โ This is on my list
LFG! has anybody talked about it on podcasts yet ? Iโd love to hear more about everyoneโs train of thought on this ๐
We touched on it here: https://fountain.fm/episode/CtvU8tXLyz0OpoBgfNUW
Really ? Awesome! Ima check it out ๐ซ๐๐ค
i think the solution is some apps start experimenting with adding p2p, holepunch.to looks a good framework
Just got an idea, whenever anyone hears first about nostr, what do they do? Google I think is the main route people go through
You then get to the nostr website only to see a developer focused documentation which I think is a problem for non dev people and adoption in general
decentralized media is a huge problem not solved on nostr yet
A lot of people are sheep. They like to be hearded like cattle and slaughtered.
That's why they were so easily rooked into taking those extremely #toxic and #poisonous so-called #covid #vaccines..๐๐๐ฅฉ๐คก๐ค๐โฃ๏ธ๐คฎ๐ฅโฐ๏ธ๐๐น
#bioweapons #covid #mRNA #adenoDNA
Is the lack of quality UI in any way reflective of the protocol itself, or do we think the clients just haven't matured yet?
I had this very issue this AM. Onboardingโฆshe had CashApp but never engaged the bitcoin. Got that going but didnโt have time to get her fully โpurple pilledโ
good search should replace #tags
I onboarded my wife nostr:npub1pmqxqm3t2kkyd5slc4lv78sf7g0kyxkt9epr3wflkmdqhl5ugh7sgy0gwm onto nostr tonight. It was a bit clunky to get started on the web clients (we ended up using 3 to get everything setup). Finally got it done. Nostr is great and I love it, but to average people out there, some would give up. My wife was losing interest until all the welcomes started rolling in, nostrichs are great people! Cheers!
Still very complicated to assemple all pidces together.
I was able to convince a couple of friends. They got the Ethos..
Keys, nip05, wallet etc... still complex
Plug'n Play Getalby type of usr set up could facilitate