Looking at some of the stats and comparing Bluesky to Nostr…. Norhing profound, but kind of useful to remind ourselves of scale.
Using data from:
* Nostr: https://stats.nostr.band/
* bluesky: https://bsky.jazco.dev/
* fediverse: https://fediverse.observer/stats
Avg Daily Posts:
* Nostr: 80k
* Bluesky: 520k
* Fediverse 36m
Average Daily Reactions / Likes:
* Nostr: 50k
* Bluesky: 2m
* Fediverse: ?
I'm quite shocked that the Fediverse has that many daily posts still. After the big mastodon stumble it seemed to kind of fall out of my internet field of view. Granted I don't follow a whole lot of people across the platforms I'm on.
Nostr relays are mainly hobbyists, so it's going to be hard to hit those big numbers when $100 can be the difference between staying up and shutting down.
The mobile / desktop nostr apps can embed a personal relay which will help a lot. Or we need a better business model for relays. I think we’ll find them.
Onboarding and quality are the key issues at the moment. Lack of credible search next.
Great point 👍✅
We need an OSS search since all I know of are black boxes.
Quality … notes? Or quality client?
The quality problem is difficult to solve, even if Damus is opened each time, it is difficult to successfully connect Relay to obtain data, and generally need to exit two or three times to successfully connect Relay.
Search is difficult to use under the current technical structure, because there is no large stable Relay to provide data search services, resulting in confusing search results.
New technical solutions may be sought, and local database services such as Nostr.band may be needed, which are fast and accurate in speed and data, with the disadvantage of lacking a decentralized Relay.
I’m curious your experience if you’ve tried nostr:npub1pu3vqm4vzqpxsnhuc684dp2qaq6z69sf65yte4p39spcucv5lzmqswtfch. We’ve got a local db and do a lot to try and make the experience consistent and reliable. Feedback, especially critical feedback, is immensely helpful.
Great. I'll give it a try👍
i personally wrote a hit piece on BlueSky and then joined Nostr myself.
the reason people go to BlueSky and not Nostr is because they know Bluesky will be same shit as Twitter but with a shiny new wrapper plus it's by invitation, which makes you feel special. so BlueSky is really offering people to feel better about themselves without any real change.
meanwhile with Nostr they know it's something different and they are afraid of change. people don't want to BE they want to SIGNAL.
Bluesky is about signaling. Nostr is about substance.
This is why Nostr will always be small - because most people have none ( substance ).
nostr:npub13ql75nq8rldygpkjke47y893akh5tglqtqzs6cspancaxktthsusvfqcg7 calls BlueSky “Trans Maoist social media” 😂
It’s Twitter for narrative addicts.
Y’all are building something important 🙏🏽
Waiting on the Other Stuff and not all the focus on Socials.
every user should also be a relay.
this way we would be able to have video uploads for example.
basically merge bit torrent and nostr.
you need to give up on the absurd fantasy that nostr will ever be for the masses.
accept that nostr will always be for select few and make it MORE demanding to use, not less.
demand every user be a relay with minimum requirements for bandwidth, storage and uptime. then depending on how much you offer as a server / relay is also the level of service you get in return ( can you stream 4K video hosted on Nostr ? etc. )
This is how Secure Scuttlebutt works. Scuttlebutt was the inspiration for much of what is nostr. I think we could get to efficient gossip between apps / relays which would help a lot. That said, scuttlebutt started out 100% peer to peer and offline first, and then evolved to have pubs which are like relays. We need relays for the network to function efficiently. But there’s no reason apps can’t be local micro-relays.
Then you also get cool things like syncing over mesh networks, censorship evasion, and nostr working when the internet goes down or is non-existent.
Can we talk more about
“Then you also get cool things like syncing over mesh networks, censorship evasion, and nostr working when the internet goes down or is non-existent.“
Cause one of the things irl frens tell me a lot is what happens when the internet goes down or ceases to exist bc of some apocalyptic shit happens, what happens to bitcoin and nostr are they usable at that point ? Or gone with the internet.. and then this is where mesh networks kick in to my brain sooo yea I’d love to discuss this further idk maybe on a nest or something
✅ This is on my list
LFG! has anybody talked about it on podcasts yet ? I’d love to hear more about everyone’s train of thought on this 🙌
We touched on it here: https://fountain.fm/episode/CtvU8tXLyz0OpoBgfNUW
Really ? Awesome! Ima check it out 🫂💜🤙
i think the solution is some apps start experimenting with adding p2p, holepunch.to looks a good framework
Just got an idea, whenever anyone hears first about nostr, what do they do? Google I think is the main route people go through
You then get to the nostr website only to see a developer focused documentation which I think is a problem for non dev people and adoption in general
decentralized media is a huge problem not solved on nostr yet
Is the lack of quality UI in any way reflective of the protocol itself, or do we think the clients just haven't matured yet?
I had this very issue this AM. Onboarding…she had CashApp but never engaged the bitcoin. Got that going but didn’t have time to get her fully “purple pilled”
good search should replace #tags
Still very complicated to assemple all pidces together.
I was able to convince a couple of friends. They got the Ethos..
Keys, nip05, wallet etc... still complex
Plug'n Play Getalby type of usr set up could facilitate
From the data I have from nostr:npub16fcy8ynknssdv7s487nh4p2h4vr3aun64lpfea45d7h4sts9jheqevshgh I don't think the nostr band stats are all that accurate. But just my take.
Does anyone have an invite code for Bluesky? I'd love to check it out.
Check my profile, I posted some codes
Gracias,👍🏼
Excelente aporte
Also, media is a big drive factor for Bluesky
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nostr has more to figure out than most as it is starting from a deeper foundation, and is evolving organically and competitively rather than by design.
So we should expect it to take longer to form and longer to iterate to become something broadly compelling.
nostr has no technology limitations and is not short of talented developers, what is missing at the moment is diversity of business models.
nostr has maybe a dozen Twitter clones. Why? Why build the 13th Twitter clone?
There was nostrgram for a while, but really another brand clone. Why?
Stop cloning web2, what’s the point?
It already exists.
“Hey I built Twitter but better, because of [complicated reasons]”… is not compelling.
nostr needs to think a little more profoundly about what the tech actually is, and then lean into that and follow where that truth leads to… it does not lead to Twitter clones!
Discovery does not mean aggregation! Stop and think more deeply. Empower exploration instead of sterilising it, the internet made a bad turn, we can now go back and turn the other way.
Nostr is a permissionless standard for sharing things safely. Safe torrents are now possible, yet people are using nostr to churn out another social feed UI?
Notes are not limited to blobs of text.
Middleman relays are nice, but edge relays are the end game. I can already see that coming over the hill with nostrdb.
Patience and persistence are the only things that nostr needs to have protected whilst it incubates in public.
why build the 13th twitter clone? because none do it rite
Someone should legitimately clone Tweetbot or one of the good twitter apps and make it work with nostr.
Copy what works instead of half assing your own solution.
copying what works should always be the starting point, its why nostr works because nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 ignored things that didnt work like p2p
there is new things that will work really well however and thats combining other things that work like chat and forum reddit and twitter on the same data set, something nostr was born to do
amethyst wont let me like your note?? nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z
omg lol it liked lots but didnt show it kek
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This applies as much to apps as standards.
fucking agree Sick of the twitter shit
simpan dulu. menarik ini statistiknya.
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What confuses me the most, as a new user you get the impression nostr is a thousend different, splintered worlds that dont really know of each other.
When I tried many different clients, each client presented me a completely different timeline that seemed to have no connection to each other.
And no client had a global timeline so you can get a feel whats going on or where you are.
It felt like a 1000 different rooms. And whichever you opend a new set if people talked about a completely new set of things.
Also: My first feeling was this is not a social network, but a network to talk about bitcoin. And nostr. A single theme network.
I like the protocol and I kinda like Crypto, but did not know what to do with nostr. It felt so shattered and without a general population.
For me the most important feature would be a global timeline of posts that are currently gaining traction.
This project is working on a nostr/atprotocol/activitypub bridge.
