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Bitcoin is fully traceable

kyle-moore 5mo ago 💬 3

not if you get yours without kyc

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CensorThis 5mo ago 💬 1

The exceptions are not the rule

kyle-moore 5mo ago 💬 1

you're right but non kyc bitcoin is available to anyone with an atomic swap to monero and back to btc. it's not black and white as btc is traceable and monero isn't

CensorThis 5mo ago 💬 3

Good point, and helpful.

How easy is it to atomic swap?

There’s been chatter here of monero traceability?

DRE 5mo ago 💬 3

UTXO set of monero is a lot smaller than bitcoin. If you think you can move large amounts without feds noticing you’re kidding yourself

DRE 5mo ago

In a few more years ecash will end this conversation for small day to day purchases

CensorThis 5mo ago 💬 1

Define large amounts?

DRE 5mo ago

80k bitcoin like it was moved recently, but I imagine it would be pretty hard to atomic swap even a couple million dollars

Saberhagen The Nameless 5mo ago

Monero doesn't have UTXOs

kyle-moore 5mo ago

i've never heard of a credible tracing or failure of the network only bad opsec. atomic swap is as easy as it is to buy bitcoin on bisq. you can do swaps on bisq as well

Saberhagen The Nameless 5mo ago

https://eigenwallet.org/download.html (formerly known as UnstoppableSwap). Hovers around ~10 BTC in liquidity

CensorThis 5mo ago 💬 4

And if think non-kyc’d BTC isn’t traceable without significant opsec then I don’t know what to tell you.

kyle-moore 5mo ago

applies to both

DRE 5mo ago

Buy on robosats then do a few lighting hops then swap for USDT do a few hops then swap back to BTC then a few more lighting hops and wrap up with a couple coinjoins on Joinmarket.

But a simple coinjoin with 10 participants is good enough for most use cases

Saberhagen The Nameless 5mo ago 💬 1

Bitcoin is still traceable even without KYC. It's a transparent blockchain.