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That’s some expensive mixing, no wonder they come so hard on competition 😂

Indeed.

Imagine paying 5% coordinator fee to join 0.001 BTC Whirlpool, while Wasabi doesn't charge any coordinator fee for inputs below 0.01 BTC.

Wasabi is cheaper in coordinator fees unless a user has 12 * the pool denomination in the 2 biggest Whirlpools (0.5 & 0.05) or 17 * the pool denomination (0.01).

In Scamourai you get free remixes but in Wasabi you get free remixing even after 1 hop.

Whirlpool requires you to do 2 transactions, Tx0 and the actual cj, while Wasabi does it all in one to save on tx fees.

Tx0 produces a toxic change, while Wasabi doesn't, except for big whales.

To register multiple inputs to Tx0 you reveal the common input heuristic, which is very bad for users privacy, while in Wasabi all inputs are registered separately.

In Whirlpool you need to wait a lot to be able to remix, while in Wasabi you can do it very quickly.

Scamourai is older project than Wasabi but they still have only ~10% of the volume.

No wonder they are salty and they need to create confusion to stay in business.

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4857c8f1... 2y ago

You pay a entry fee for Whrilpool and you can send up 70 UTXOs, remixes are free. Whrilpool have no censorship and does noy work with chainanalysis. Its a zerolink cj and it breaks deterministic links and there are no address reuses or merges.

Rafe 2y ago

> You can send up 70 UTXOs

Don't you see how consolidating these would be very bad?

Maybe you meant you can get ~70 UTXOs out from a Tx0?

> Whrilpool have no censorship

Only government can censor.

Everything else is just a private entity deciding who they do business with.

> does noy work with chainanalysis

Neither does zkSNACKs. Or do you say you are "working" with a shopkeeper when you buy something from the store?

> Its a zerolink cj and it breaks deterministic links

The protocol #[6] designed is being used but unfortunately, Scamourais understanding of it is similar to Roger Ver's understanding of the Bitcoin whitepaper.

Both are naively nitpicking on the wording.

Hiding the toxic change and different input values in one transaction before a coinjoin does nothing against observers, but it does cost more in mining fees.

> no address reuses or merges.

How about the consolidation of multiple toxic change outputs to join a pool?

Regarding address reuse, afaik neither implementation has them at the moment but it's a problem in both projects history. It might become a thing again in the future, like when Wasabi needs to allow payments in coinjoins.

https://twitter.com/brian_trollz/status/1283525347007442944

https://twitter.com/brian_trollz/status/1445065052118261776

4857c8f1... 2y ago

Its really funny that all the Anti-Samourai boys has one thing in common. They have absolutly no clue how Whirlpool works. That means you can't take them serious 😉

Rafe 2y ago

Except that I apparently know better how Whirlpool works than you, based on this comment of yours that I already replied to 😂

> You can send up 70 UTXOs

Don't you see how consolidating these would be very bad?

Maybe you meant you can get ~70 UTXOs out from a Tx0?

4857c8f1... 2y ago

Thats bullshit 😉

Rafe 2y ago

Very solid argument. Good job.

4857c8f1... 2y ago

I don't talk with Waalshitty shillers. Senseless as they are promoting anti freedom tech on their new echo chamber. 🍌

Rafe 2y ago

Oh course you don't. It's safer to stay within your LARP Kliq, not respond to questions, avoid thinking and blindly hail the almighty Scamourai devs.

Any honest researcher or DYORin pleb would look in to my claims and try to debunk them or ask questions.

Pussies ignore unfavorable comments.

4857c8f1... 2y ago

I don't have the time to explain it to the Wasabi shiller boys on a daily basis.

Kruw 2y ago

Anti-samourai Bitcoiners are warning others about how Whirlpool works since we are easily able to unpeel the deterministic links from the tx0 premix:

#[7]

#[8]

Wasabi makes EVERY spend a coinjoin instead, so you never reveal any other addresses belong to you:

#[9]

4857c8f1... 2y ago

No chainalysis? No censorship?

LUL you Wasabi guys .... seems you have no clue about your own implementation as well 😂

Rafe 2y ago

You Scamourai guys don't seem have a clue about what censorship means, what's the difference between Chainalysis and chain analysis, how Wasabi works or how the thing you blindly shill and support actually works.

4857c8f1... 2y ago

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