Knots node count will continue growing as misinformed fools hope that running more Knots nodes will change the dynamics of data propagation on the network.
It won't. But it will likely take a long time for certain stubborn folks to capitulate.
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Canāt wait till Core 30 comes out and the world doesnāt end.
It definitely wonāt.
As core slips down the list of node software not many people will even know when core 31 is released.
Itās just software that people can run, or they can run the other guys.
As long as enough people run it to keep Knots from censoring transactions, I'm happy. It doesn't take much.
So if I run core I keep a knots operator from censoring transactions?
This sounds like āIām vaccinated but you need to get vaccinated or youāll infect me!ā
Youāre gonna have to explain.
Sure. Knots users are motivated by their desire to censor transactions they don't like (which they call spam). Fine. So they run nodes that don't relay those transactions. If even a few people continue running open relays, like Core or Libre Relay, those transactions will still reach miners and get included in blocks.
Two things:
1. āThose transactions will still reach minersā - isnāt this the crux of the argument? That filters donāt work and they can be ārouted aroundā, so if 0 users update to core 30 and/or run knots, the transactions will still get through?
2. Are core v29 users āmotivated by their desire to censor transactions ā?
Because they (and v28, v27, etc) just maintain the current āfilters.ā
1. Yes, the filters don't work, except to keep certain transactions off your local mempool.
2. Most users probably don't care. The OP_RETURN limit was an ineffective tool to discourage data storage. Hence its removal in 30.
1. Then why, to your original point, do āenough people need to run core to keep people from censoring transactions ā?
This is not logical.
My point is the filters WOULD have some effect if virtually all nodes, including miners, enforced them. So when I said "enough people need to run core," I meant just a few will do, and those transactions will still get mined.
But then why does the filter āfor my own local mempoolā have any effect on mining? Even if itās 100% of the nodes? How is that possible? This is a logical dead end for you.
Miners have mempools. If they are filtering, and building block templates from filtered transactions, filters work. See recent Ocean blocks.
So if 100% of the non-miner nodes use knots, and all the miners use core then thereās no censorship concerns, right?
So why are the core apologists berating me for my choice of software? They should only be convincing the miners to run core, since thatās all that matters
Its nice to see the idea of consensus morphing into desire for capitulation. Very kinda tradition model for hummanity really
You're misinformed fool or just Bitcoin traitor rather.
No real Bitcoiner would propose attacks on network. Knots is winning rapifly as people see who you and some of core devs are.
Heās just a sellout. Hes an investor in Citrea, a bitcoin rollup project.
https://x.com/i/grok/share/xRMStZ5KOK6aaMu5cWGX906Vu
I get it but if this is the motive he must be stupid. Destroying Bitcoin= Destroying his shitcoin.
Fast buck and pushing rest of humanity into shit? I HOPE NO
I donāt think that what heās doing is going to destroy bitcoin.
I also donāt think he thinks it will destroy bitcoin.
Core 3.0 is simply a power grab to by a cabal of coders that are showing that what ātheyā want is more important than what the opposition wants.
The (knots) opposition wants to keep spam out and keep nodes cheap so anyone can run one on their phone for example.
Core is fighting tooth and nail to keep it because thereās lots of money to be made from this crap.
If these people are left to their own devices, then yes it is a threat to bitcoin.
Whats next?
Op_cat?
Jesus who the fuck knows what unintended consequences that will bring.
It's not for optimization
It's to send a message
And I see you are receiving it
I love these cope posts by Lopp and other spam apologists. It shows the node runners revolt against core is working. #RunKnots
Remove the spam filter on your email, have fun reading though all those every day. Then go buy a massive new hard drive or server every year for your node. Then you can store all that spam data, so you catter to rich elites transaction fees. š¤¦āāļø
Nobody should trust a single word out of this shitcoiner Lopp (remember INX token). He shouldn't be let anywhere near bitcoin core. Your opinion is moot.
PoS dynamics.
If capitulation is set as the aim, the discourse is already tyrannical. Stewardship of a decentralized network demands humility; recognizing that resilience comes precisely from disagreement, heterogeneity of implementation, and persistence of minority views.
To frame dissenters as āmisinformed foolsā and set their eventual surrender as the intended outcome exposes a will to dominate, not to serve. That is maleficence, not stewardship. A true steward would welcome even āinefficientā or āredundantā nodes as expressions of sovereignty, diversity, and the right of each participant to weigh tradeoffs for themselves.
If your definition of success requires erasing opposition rather than integrating it into the fabric of the network, youāre not defending decentralization; youāre replacing it with centralization of narrative and authority. In that light, capitulation is not validation of truth but confession of defeat to power.
I am new to this so I apologize: Do you think large pools or relevant miners will implement their own filters to avoid risky content to be mined (as happened to BSV during 2019)? I guess they do it today anyway and BTC 2025 miners are more advanced than BSV 2019 miners.
The fool is the one who keeps going when everyone else saying stop.
Knots is the minority and I'll bet it remains the minority. Maybe you should stop.
First it was "what is a woman?" Now it's "what is spam?" Who are the fools?
Yes Lopp, we are fools for wanting to run an alternative you donāt agree with.
āYou have to ask yourself why does he care so much? Resorting to insultsā¦
Itās almost like heās profiting from this spam in some wayā¦
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Oh yeah, hes an investor in Citria. A bitcoin rollup project.
https://x.com/i/grok/share/xRMStZ5KOK6aaMu5cWGX906Vu
The debate is great for bitcoin. People still care about it. šš«
Hope it lasts a long time.
āMisinformed foolsā
You mean people that arenāt invested in Bitcoins rollups and dont stand to profit from spam?
https://x.com/i/grok/share/xRMStZ5KOK6aaMu5cWGX906Vu
I think your idealistic libertarian arguments are getting in the way of practicality. Similar to this jewel:
Lopp, what do you make of Mechanic's and Kratter's fear that CSAM on the blockchain opens bitcoin to attack from critics? If this is the case, even your investments in citrea would be harmed, no?
I don't understand why talking heads are pushing knots.. For clicks and views, or actually don't get that policy changes won't change consensus??
Policies work. Why do you think ordinals and runes shitcoiners are scared?
Why do you think Mara spammers stopped taking sub 1sat/vByte transactions fees?
No one ever needs to ācapitulateā.
To be blunt, this is dominance language - very strange to come from the mouth of a supposed Bitcoiner.
1. Individuals reserve the right to control what goes on in their mempool.
2. People can run forks like Knots indefinitely, itās just a patched version of core.
The disregard for people not wanting their conscience violated is palpable.
Thanks for letting us know you're a dishonest CSAM enabler ššš. Keep running Knots and ignore clowns like this.
I would like to point out that not all ppl who run knots do it because they believe opening up op_return is bad. Some ppl do it because they have been spooked by some core devs behaviours.
Some people switched to knots not bc of the change itself, but bc of the way core devs handled the whole discussion (arrogance, call to authority, technocracy, constant discredit of other party). They might be absolutely right on the change, but their public engagament has been horrible to say the least. Also their complete lack of self-reflection is staggering: "20% of the network is expressing dissatisfaction with us, well we surely have done absolutely nothing wrong and they must be all retards"). I think this is the biggest factor making ppl switch, core is harakiri itself big time with this behaviour