Nostr Web Client

It's easy to take shots from the cheap seats (not what Derek is doing) and certainly not my intention, but this is fair and necessary criticism. As I keep repeating, we need fewer features and more QA.

There is no path to broader adoption without *quality* on par or better than the alternatives.

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Shawn 9mo ago

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Is there any reason to think this is an unreasonable task, nostr:nprofile1qyghwumn8ghj7vf5xqhxvdm69e5k7tcpz4mhxue69uhkzet8d9ejuat50phjummwv5hsqgpm7rrrljungc6q0tuh5hj7ue863q73qlheu4vywtzwhx42a7j9n5zgwjy3 , nostr:nprofile1qyw8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnzd96xxmmfdecxzunt9e3k7mf0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtn4w3ux7tn0dejj7qpqutx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4sau8ykj ?

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Terry Yiu 9mo ago

nostr:npub1zafcms4xya5ap9zr7xxr0jlrtrattwlesytn2s42030lzu0dwlzqpd26k5 had an idea of NostrCI. Not sure if that went anywhere.

Shawn 9mo ago

I'd bet on him.

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 9mo ago

Ehhhh, I don't see how a generic test suite would catch the types of issues Derek is pointing out, but perhaps I am regarded . Usually they have to be app specific and extremely well planned out to catch crashy type scenarios

fiatjaf 9mo ago

nostr:npub1zafcms4xya5ap9zr7xxr0jlrtrattwlesytn2s42030lzu0dwlzqpd26k5 has wanted something like that for years and I always tell him it's an impossible task.

jb55 9mo ago

I think he just means a common test suite

Shawn 9mo ago

Yes. I'm not a dev, so I'm reaching, maybe, but is it not reasonable to build test suites for the most commonly used libraries?

elsat 9mo ago

nostr:npub16ux4qzg4qjue95vr3q327fzata4n594c9kgh4jmeyn80v8k54nhqg6lra7 is working on a nostrCI proof of concept. More details to follow

AU9913 9mo ago

Not impossible, fairly simple POC. Once the poc is done it's at matter of getting funding to grind out use cases. The matrix of use cases is also fairly trivial to generate.

Likely the hardest part will be the mobile testing.

Probably the idea would be to run these on nostr:nprofile1qqsthdwa5rs42euhnuz5xsrmmssr84hshwes7uj392vpeldj7z0zw3cppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsef7u3d's cicd DVM so anyone can trigger and pay the invoice.

Arjen 9mo ago

We can use nostr:nprofile1qqswwud0pvzu362lehm0av6sq4zd97cue5uy0z8f7jgtk0hz368dvmcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszxmhwden5te0wa5x2ct59e5xzurs096xzan9wfhzucm09uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsdms043 's validation tool, running them on decentralized (GitHub actions) workflow runners using gitworkshop.

Arjen 9mo ago

https://github.com/nostrability/schemata

sandwich 9mo ago

These are up to date, with some known inaccuracies (and in production use)

Schema: https://github.com/sandwichfarm/nostr-watch/tree/next/libraries/schemata

TS/JS Validators: https://github.com/sandwichfarm/nostr-watch/tree/next/libraries/schemata-js-ajv

AU9913 9mo ago

I'm confused what I'm looking at. This isn't something for testing, it's for validating data as it comes into the relay, correct

sandwich 9mo ago

It's for validating data, in general. A huge percentage of interoperability issues between clients relates to missing tags or missing data within tags.

AU9913 9mo ago

Validation and QA are different things tho right? Or am I thinking about this incorrectly

sandwich 9mo ago

Not sure, I was just primarily responding to nostr: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 since he linked to the nostrability repo that hasn't been updated in almost 6 months. Wanted to clarify.

If Client A puiblishes a NIP-22 events without a root event tag, then Client B (and perhaps event Client A) won't be able to find it. Schemas can catch this error either in production or in a CI/CD pipeline. It can also detect these issues by fuzz testing events.

I would personally consider that QA, but maybe not?

AU9913 9mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qqsthdwa5rs42euhnuz5xsrmmssr84hshwes7uj392vpeldj7z0zw3cppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsef7u3d what are you getting at? I'm unsure how you're saying to use this for qa. Like I get it for apps to use, but I don't understand what you're saying about using this when testing clients.

Arjen 9mo ago

Validation can be one task in the process of QA. It's not the whole thing but def important

AU9913 9mo ago

But why? The whole point of QA is to use broken events and see how the clients react. Also, it's to use working events and see how they react. Once the test data is generated you won't really have to validate? Sorry I think I'm missing something