Nostr Web Client

Derek Ross 9mo ago

i love nostr and i remain incredibly bullish on nostr, however these are the apps that i use daily that cause me frustrations. when i said this morning that i go from bullish to frustrated and back, these are the reasons:

nostrudel - i have to refresh or reload the app often to get profile names and photos to display. sometimes new notes don't load and i have to refresh or reload to display them.

chachi - chats just don't load most of the time. i have to nuke local storage and reload and refresh constantly to get new chat messages to display. this is tedious.

olas - i haven't used olas since the last update. i can't upload images. the images upload blank or never finish publishing. even the feed is inconsistent showing me mostly my images instead of images from people i follow.

pokey - mute thread is not consistent. sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

citrine - no new events get published. i've been at 207,513 events for months. i think this happened whenever i tried to import all of my events from all of my relays. whenever i open citrine there's a notification that it's exporting events, but that never finishes. i think i need to cut my losses and my local data and nuke and start from scratch, but then ill lose all of my local data :(

wavlake - a popup window for amber is displayed every single song that i listen, because it's trying to set a status for the song im listening to. this continues even if you attempt to remember or save the setting.

primal - my NWC somehow stops working. i can generate a new string and apply it and have zaps work for a few days, but eventually it will stop working and ill have to disconnect and regenerate new NWC strings.

fountain - i just don't boost as often as i'd like, because having a separate wallet balance makes boosting harder. NWC is coming to fountain though. that will resolve this.

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honestly the most stable and consistent apps that i use daily are #0xchat, #Amethyst and #Notedeck (jumble.social is great too, i just don't use it that often.)

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looking at the larger picture, these are not showstopping issues, but mere annoyances along a bumpy path forward. and that's where we are moving. forward.

keep building.

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𝕞𝕪𝕡𝕒𝕥𝕙𝕥𝕠𝕗𝕚𝕣𝕖 9mo ago

Wavlake needs a volume bar too. Come on!

Derek Ross 9mo ago

I'd like some more enhancements and features too, but for now I'd just like usability.

Mî¢h&|3 Dëgli Ü3ę®tį 9mo ago

Non-techie POV: #Amethyst UX is pretty good After you learn how to set up the relays and the lightning wallet the daily use is quite clear and straightforward

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Okay. That's nice to know. I think that Amethyst is great, but I think it's also more of an advanced user's app.

Mî¢h&|3 Dëgli Ü3ę®tį 9mo ago

Advanced?

Can I just add, Nostrudel doesn't even give me the Alby extension prompt unless I try to do something (upload an image or react). So if I go there to just write a note it won't let me unless I then go out and do one of these other things. Very silly

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Oh. That sounds like you're signed out. I have had that happen when I update my browser, but it signs me back in on first action.

Please check that in Nostrudel you have the same profile chosen as in the extension. clearing cache also should help!

Matthew D 9mo ago

I find it hard to keep up with all of the apps. I see new things, they are rough around the edges, I get discouraged, and leave for a few days.

Yeah, this is part of the process - but it's a bad cycle to get stuck in.

Derek Ross 9mo ago

I use many, many apps, despite their state because I love seeing all that Nostr has to offer. But yes, if an app isn't fully baked I will check it out and then disappear for a while to give it more time to cook.

Matthew D 9mo ago

It's a free market of ideas approach. You have my attention for five or so minutes if I hear about it, if it doesn't capture my interest there's a chance I move on and never come back.

metadavid 9mo ago

One thing I made it a point when I founded Media3 Labs is that we’d have an easily discoverable intake process for bugs/feedback, be extremely responsive, and transparent with the people sharing them (give ETAs on patching, be candid if we need to de-prioritize). I did that because in my experience as a consumer of apps, I see teams being too focused on shipping, not focusing on fixing what’s broken, and rack up massive technical debt that virtually kills what was an otherwise good idea.

Building is hard, and yeah, there’s definitely a ying-yang for shipping/fixing and the balancing act required there.

Derek Ross 9mo ago

"Works" is such a broad term. Many devs focus on new features and don't fix minor bugs. It's...a bit annoying having so many apps that are left at about 85% complete with only a few hurdles that could bring them from "it works" to "it works great". I try to focus on and look at the larger picture though.

metadavid 9mo ago

Totally — I think builders tend get into a zone and feel the need to ship while also thinking their product is “good enough.” They’re kind of right…it’s good enough for maybe a new user who is something novel, and then there’s loyalists, but most of the people are in the middle…they’ll move on.

I agree, 85% is a good percentage…it’s like past MVP stage, where fixing bugs can’t take the backseat anymore

Agree on a few points. Olas is extremely slow on my end and have the same issue with showing mainly my content.

Actually used Nostrudel yesterday for the first time to see my badges but the UX is not really nice 😅

Still love it here 🫶🏻🫂

Derek Ross 9mo ago

It took me a while to get used to Nostrudel. Once you get used to it, it's a powerhouse!

Okay let’s go then 🔥

💪💪💪

Confirmed- just downloaded Olas

Its crashing constantly for me. Good look and vibes thoo 🤙

It's easy to take shots from the cheap seats (not what Derek is doing) and certainly not my intention, but this is fair and necessary criticism. As I keep repeating, we need fewer features and more QA.

There is no path to broader adoption without *quality* on par or better than the alternatives.

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EVERYTHING 9mo ago

Loved the fountain feedback.

Fountain can't be blamed for the separate wallet thing cos that alrieady existed before they merged to nostr or even before the NWC NIP.

But can't wait to see what the NWC integration on fountain would look like.

In my opinion, they're in the top 3 nostr apps out there

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Agree. Fountain works fairly well. It's a solid app.

dale_gribble 9mo ago

These apps already work with Alby and have for a long time. Podverse, PodcastGuru, Curiocaster, LNBeats, Castamatic...

https://podcastindex.org/apps?elements=Boostagrams

maven leo 9mo ago

Get an iPhone and get nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 with an NWC connection to your nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg premium wallet

Derek Ross 9mo ago

My Damus is set to NWC with my node and it works great, but I don't really use Damus. It's more of a testing device (that I borrowed from my niece last summer to test Nostr apps on iOS).

maven leo 9mo ago

So I suppose you’re using nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg with your node as well

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Yeah when I use Primal I use NWC to my node for zaps.

maven leo 9mo ago

Too much too soon. Habla.news and highlighter.com are still buggy and the devs have started new stuff

Derek Ross 9mo ago

I fully agree here and would have mentioned them but I have stopped writing and they're no longer part of my daily or weekly usage, in part because those apps are just not fun to use.

maven leo 9mo ago

It’s a pity the devs have pretty much “deserted” them despite their potential

🫂 Glad to see some of the same problems shared with others at least. 💯 on nostrudel, fountain, wavlake, same here. But still enjoy my experience more than using anything else! Playing with runstr last night was freaking awesome! It is very rough around the edges still, but just seeing the automatic integration of, fitness data stored on relays, wavlake music, nwc connection to albyhub, and amber sign in made me look over at my wife and go, people just don't fucking understand how god dang awesome this is!!!!!

Derek Ross 9mo ago

i must have missed that one? what's runstr?

Like a fitness tracker for running and sharing workouts comparable to the nike run app. #runstr https://github.com/HealthNoteLabs/Runstr

Derek Ross 9mo ago

thanks! it's from my dude nostr:npub1xr8tvnnnr9aqt9vv30vj4vreeq2mk38mlwe7khvhvmzjqlcghh6sr85uum 😉 i will def check this out!

I was confused at first because they have a website too at www.runstr.club Thought that was the app, didn't realize they had an apk to download too. Like i said, rough around the edges, but love the direction.

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 9mo ago

Haven - just always works perfectly

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Pretty much. It's really stable.

Marcelinho 9mo ago

that's why I love nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 , it's simply the best app for me to use nostr "twitter like" (oh no, i said it 🤪)

ابو مريم 9mo ago

Thoughts on Yakihonne?

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Yakihonne is actually one of the best Nostr apps that we have across the ecosystem.

SoapMiner 9mo ago

Better than Amy? 🤔

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Amy will always be my favorite girl.

SoapMiner 9mo ago

Does nostr:nprofile1qqsfpuyj8re4zneync4nx0npr8h0f95hqg8e2m7hkeejecgcm5d48jcprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68yurvv438xtnrdakj7qgkwaehxw309ahx7um5wfjkc6t5v4ejummjvuhsz8mhwden5te0dehhxarj94ex2mrp0yhxgetjv44k2mmnwvhx6ef0g9a028 know about this? 😱

It really is a very well designed client with a ton of awesome features. Their long-form article editor and presentation is particularly excellent. I think it's the best long-form app in the whole ecosystem, even better than Habla. It essentially markets your articles to users based on their preferences, so you get really good exposure and discoverability.

On top of all that it's just a beautiful client app. They put a lot of thought into the UX, and it shows. In terms of usage, I believe they're a secondary player compared to Amethyst and Primal. But I think that's going to change as more and more people give it a shot and see for themselves just how good Nostr can be. I wish the YakiHonne team all the best. I'm rooting for them!

Derek Ross 9mo ago

Yakihonne is great for onboarding too, with their built in wallet.

And tons of wallet options, too! You can use their built-in wallet, or connect your external wallet via NWC.

Coracle?

Derek Ross 9mo ago

i don't use coracle enough to complain or critique. well, i guess the reason i don't use it is because of the UI. i just don't personally like it. coracle's feed configuration though is the best out there. nothing tops the amount of tools and options available.

Custom feeds and lists are powerful indeed!

𝚋𝚊𝚝𝚜𝚒𝚚 9mo ago

FA 🤝 TA on Nostr ⇆ ■■■■■■□□□□ 60%

Juma Jim’s 9mo ago

Now you write ✍️ Ser

Dustin Dannenhauer 9mo ago

For perspective, perplexity.ai raised over 900 million dollars and it fails 1/5 of the times I try to use it

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I now use #notedeck on my mac almost daily. even though it lacks soooo many features, it is the fastest nostr app of them all. I wish more devs contribute to it.

captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜 9mo ago

noting bullish or bearish about nostr

use it or keep crying

2140.wtf #blockworkgallery 9mo ago

Amethyst is a real beast, loving it