It’s not decentralized because a couple people have a lot of bitcoin

Accidentally writing a reply in the form of a haiku and getting recognized… better than winning the lottery

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Okay this is the screenshot I needed to make me go really try this

I’d say you’re just a quantum native 😉

Let it fix your printer driver problems *chefs kiss*

And we could do it with paid relays! What a time to be alive

It’s so good. Especially with writers block!

Dam. Someone at Upwork read Daemon and started building Uma "We don't want to build agents that actually complete the tasks, but we are building this meta orchestration agent that figures out what human and agent talent is necessary in order to complete the tasks. Uma evaluates the work to be delivered to the client, orchestrates the interaction between humans and agents, and is able to learn from all the interactions that happen on the platform how to break jobs into tasks so that they get completed in a timely and effective manner."

GM. Today I was autocorrected from “eggs” to “gas” and it further increases my doubts of AI and iPhones. And yes, I did type eggs correctly the first time.

This is for nip-17 or MLS type messaging or using DVMs, not for public posting - for those use cases whitelisting npubs works great 😅

* you sign them with randomly generated npubs (all gift wraps) not your npub

The castle is the (paid) relay

The only other solution I’ve found is sending micro ecash with every note which I talk about here naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpkscaxrqqs8nhaynsahuz6c6jy4wtfhkl2x4zkwrmc4cyvaqmxz3qq2nq735d92hwj2wg3xrxdp5x44y7apexaxnvn96qwa

Does this only work with free public relays?

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Is there something that has better transaction speed, infinitely divisible, and good privacy? I don’t care about cashu or ecash, I just need real micro payments at scale

Dude. Yes. Had to batch them basically. I was running on the low end of hardware, maybe just 1gb of ram, which is stupid expensive if you use the aura hosted version. Probably only worth it if you host Neo4j yourself on better hardware. I ended up doing a hybrid Postgres + Neo4j setup, so that I only needed to use Neo4j for queries that could benefit from the graph structure

So I ended up dropping Neo4j because DVMs should move to encrypted setups with NIP17 or NIP-EE, and I was using Neo4j for a global event debugger for DVM flows (which isn’t possible if everything’s encrypted).

But you can check out the representation I made and the code to insert and query Nostr data, could be helpful if you’re deciding how to structure Nostr data into graphs.

Email, calendar, doc editing, the entire office suite. Pay per use by sending micro sat ecash to relays with every note. All on Nostr. Super cheap. Paid relays. Permission-less. Private.

…except the live stream viewers

This is so cool. I’d love to see all office suite products replaced with Nostr alternatives

I believe it was an anthropic client error, changing the provider fixed it for me

A lot here to respond to, but briefly - nip 17 and nip ee require generating a random npub for every gift wrap event which is what the relay sees. There’s no re using them. By anonymous this is what I meant.

I think we need this kind of payment scheme if we want paid relays behind the more modern privacy capabilities. The thinking is that with the new era of privacy apps on Nostr, that would attract more users and incentivize paying. One could argue that it’s never been tried to have signal or simplex like privacy on Nostr paid by ecash before… and those are just the chat style apps

what account? There is no account with this scheme

Could you elaborate on how you’re thinking about solving it without ecash?

You’re not wrong at all small scale. But we’re still at the beginning. Heard someone recently suggest that Nostr wins in the long run because it’s the cockroach that refuses to die. And even projects like signal and simplex run into funding issues to run the relays. I really do think micro payments has been a missing technical component, we’ve never practically been able to stream tiny amounts of money privately.

For sure for this all to work Nostr needs to 100x in user count, if not more.

Well, until ecash I don’t think there’s anyway to have paid relays that can support anonymous npubs, and all the good privacy stuff requires that. So it’s free relays or bust without it. My hope is that it gets so cheap that $1 a year is all that’s needed for low usage folks.

I think protonmail is a good analogy. It offers alternatives to googles free options and cost money and there’s definitely a market for that. But lots of people still use Google.

The thing I didn’t mention is, AI is forcing publishers and content creators to re-think access. Cloudflare’s pay per crawl and companies like Tollbit are restructuring the web to be payment based, which could help lead the paradigm shift.

Thanks 🙏 I’d love to figure out how ecash channels could further improve this. Maybe that can help when the tokens are generated by the relay? In my performance tests, minting 10k tokens is much slower than swapping (spending) 10k tokens, so to do that instantly would be a boon. I assume the channels require maintaining an identity so that’s not an option when the user pays the relay if we want payment to be identity-agnostic. I need to read up more on the spillman channels

https://primal.net/dustind/0z4iUwINDL3445jOt97M6

New article out: https://habla.news/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpkscaxrqqs8nhaynsahuz6c6jy4wtfhkl2x4zkwrmc4cyvaqmxz3qq2nq735d92hwj2wg3xrxdp5x44y7apexaxnvn96qwa

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publishing articles on Nostr so that they render properly is still absolutely terrible UX 🤦‍♂️

lol it already got merged nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qgcwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxg6tnda3x27fwv3jhvtcqyrh7t5fqmuxv9y86wjrj076943y8e2kngm20y2f6kp573uqlc5vczn845gx is too fast - but we can amend the description if you don't like

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If we have questions on white noise where’s the best place to ask them?

Seems to be working now!

also, I can't get anthropic as a provider to work, either says connection error or doesn't show in the dropdown list. The default shakespeare/shakespeare doesn't work either. Using firefox.

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are ya'll still using https://shakespeare.diy or did it move to something else? Goes to a weird blank page every time I try to submit a prompt - I even cleared the cookies+site data and everything...

Do you have a favorite though? Genuinely want to know what else is out there. I just care about the tradeoffs and so far ecash seems to be the best at speed, privacy preservation, and infinite divisibility.

ecash transactions are speed of bandwidth fast and require NO FEES. Zero. None. This is actually insane.

do you have a favorite alternative to sub 1 sat payments?

is it ecash, eCash, Ecash, or ECash?

Isn’t GPT OSS supposed to be good for agentic use cases (aka function calling) and if so, we can’t really make use of it without an API right? You guys considering offering an API?

Will it work for long-form articles? Maybe I go buy an android phone just to use #amethyst

Is there any nostr client that would let me make edits to a long form article?

🤦‍♂️ The correct link in the "But what is a DVM" section is this article: https://primal.net/dustind/1751579151592

It’s a tough problem. I think about this a lot and it’s just all tradeoffs. What you described is worth pursuing, and if someone needs perfect privacy, they have to run the models themselves on their own hardware. TEE environments from AWS are getting better, and we might get some advances from FHE tech but that’s probably still years away and will be more expensive than the cheap models offered by big tech.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5353214

I’m excited for what you’re building.

I bet there's a free relay broadcasting our notes so we can have this conversation 😂. Seriously though, some people think that companies will run relays to support their other products. We'll probably see relays specific to different types of apps. I still wonder if someone will figure out a clever way to do free-relays that are ad supported.

again, what am I supposed to be able to take away from this? other than you've had problems with other people's work. I know firsthand that lots of things on Nostr have been attempted and then paused, broken, or failed - it's a collection of thousands of experiments by curious devs trying to build the future. It sounds like there's some interesting details behind why you wrote your original post, and those details are what actually might help people move forward - hence my first comment asking for more

Spare 5 minutes to fill out the Nostr Dev Survey? 2 days to go!

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Also I couldn't modify the zap splits, it kept refreshing every few seconds and would erase any modifications I had like npubs I had added etc. It kept resetting to the default npubs and percentages. This was on Firefox FWIW. 🫂

Yes, me too!

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@`Hablemos de Bitcoin ⚡️` the auto converting of links that contain a naddr to 'nostr:naddr1q....' is really causing me a headache when trying to link to this formstr. No clients render the form event kind (30168) well, so I'd rather link to the url 'https://formstr.app/f/naddr1qvzq...' rather than just include note:naddr... in the article. P.S. love you guys

Incredibly eye opening and helpful so far - please consider sharing with any other Nostr devs you know!

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is anyone using nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqydhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnzd96xxmmfdecxcetzwvhxgegqyz9lv2dn65v6p79g8yqn0fz9cr4j7hetf28dwy23m6ycq50gqph3xc9yvfs Can't get it to work for me, tried both via api key and cashu token