Nostr Web Client

This! Nostr’s freedom is for resisting tyranny and creating a commons that isn’t owned by a corporation or government. It’s freedom to control our own public spheres. Freedom to set norms that make sense to different communities who have different standards. It is not freedom so that you can be an asshole where you impose harassment on people. You’ve got the right to speech but nobody has the obligation to listen to you, display your content in their clients, host your content on relays, or quietly leave your content unlabeled/reported.

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Nostriga 1y ago

We're looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this at #Nostriga!

Marce 1y ago

This! This is exactly it! Thanks nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240 <3

atyh 1y ago

Neo-liberals always think they get to define what and who freedom is for. Which is why they always end up tyrannical fascists in the end.

The Beave 1y ago

In the end? It's literally the next step. It's not far from the starting point. 🤣

Joe 1y ago

Relevant how?

freedom dev 𓅦 1y ago

This confused person doesn't understand what Nostr is about.

Especially the "clients" part.

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Joe 1y ago

What about clients do you mean?

Clients can and do filter which people can benefit from it if they choose to.

Also, I wouldn’t think someone like Rabble leading a team creating a client is confused about how clients works.

freedom dev 𓅦 1y ago

There aren't two ways of understanding what he said, the context makes it very clear.

He is saying that clients should be capable of censoring "unacceptable" (according to whom?) content. He didn't say "the user by configuring the client" or something of the kind, he said "the client" (i.e. the client's developer).

This has already been tried by some fediverse clients that used to come with predefined blacklists in their code.

Such practice is in direct opposition to Nostr's philosophy.

If he's not confused, then he's openly trying to destroy Nostr.

Joe 1y ago

I disagree completely and I’m not trying to destroy nostr.

In fact, I believe Nostr can succeed because of it.

A user configures their experience by choosing a client, a relay, or their configuration.

Clients and relays can do whatever they want - nobody can stop them with nostrs current framework.

To be blunt - this exactly the type of freedom that makes the internet and its clients work.

Nobody is surprised when they launch the Spotify app or website and it doesn’t show content from yahoo.com.

I primarily browse Nostr via global (firehose). It is a complete mess. This stuff has to be tuned and nobody has to ask permission to do it with Nostr.

freedom dev 𓅦 1y ago

Wrong.

Global is global, it is meant to be that way.

Whatever you do to it in order to "tune it" makes it something else.

You are indeed lying to the user if you call it "global".

Put a warning on it if you wish, but don't take it away, it's up to the user to see it or not.

Joe 1y ago

I never said someone had to “tune” global and still call it “global”.

Whoever floats your boat but in my mind there’s no sense trying to tell others what Nostr is or is not when there’s nothing about it that stops anyone from deciding on their own.

freedom dev 𓅦 1y ago

As I see it this will lead to a scenario where there are two classes of Nostr, one with censorship enabled and the "free-speech clients".

Much like KYC BTC and non-KYC BTC, and eventually they will break compatibility.

This already happened to the Fediverse and it's why it failed.

Joe 1y ago

I disagree but am thrilled to hear others thoughts.

Take care.

Brunswick 1y ago

Free speech is for everyone. The public square is not inside a corporation owned by government pension fund managers, traded on an SEC regulated stock exchange, and managed by a board of directors with a background in foreign intelligence.

MK Fain 1y ago

I don't think framing ideas we disagree with as unworthy of freedom is productive, but I definitely agree that the goal should be creating communities that can set their own standards!

This is basicaly the point of Ditto. I wrote about how it works here if anyone is curious:

https://soapbox.pub/blog/curated-communities-with-ditto/

calvadev⚡️ 1y ago

Well said.

freedom dev 𓅦 1y ago

"Nobody has the obligation to display your content in their clients"?

The client has the obligation to do what the user wants it to do, not what its dev finds appropriate.

You are advocating for censorship, you want to "resist tyranny" by imposing your own tyranny.

That's not how this works.

rabble 1y ago

Na see i make open source apps. You can use my opinionated software or modify it and impose your own opinions.

What you’re saying is I should do what you want with my app and my work. I can make my app add “bork bork bork” to every post if i wanted. Nobody’s forced to use my borking nostr app. But since i gave the source code to you for free you’re more than able to unbork the code. Do it!

shreyan 1y ago

Facts

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