It's like some weird punishment for not using apple pay, even though apple pay literally can’t do what profile zaps can do: uncensorable p2p transactions.
Their suggested fix is to “use apple pay instead for these transactions”, except you literally cant use apple pay for p2p txs? Do they expect me to have some ingame currency that you buy and transfer to people? wtf? nostr:note17g4q7xln8ujcwn2jr8g0g5k5vefzfk3g339r3u33fua6pmwv80dqgsmysr
The in-game currency is Bitcoin. It seems they want you to run an exchange where people buy Sats with Apple Pay. I don't think they run one themselves.
Pivot and circumnavigate.
Create a #Damus jailbreak that specifically installs Damus and create a Damus app store, just like Cydia has. Apple can go pound sand.
Can’t wait that Apple is releasing iOS 17 and we are able to sideload apps in the eu!
Yeah but I wouldn’t be super hyped about that. The usual pundits are already screaming that we need gatekeeping to protect the population from harming themselves so there is a possibility this will be a greenwashed cartel controlled bullshit EU style. I hope I’m wrong.
They are clever criminals.
There is no way to talk to them logically.
Apple is getting Uberized and have only one response on the “guidelines manual”.
Is it worth fighting over when you can literally create bypass ?
Nostr apps should be more treated like browsers instead of traditional social media apps.
We ran in to this with the scuttlebutt apps too. For example Manyverse.se was temporarily banned because they didn’t have a centralized way of reporting and deleting content. There is no way to delete in scuttlebutt but apple was ok with it looking like it was deleted by hiding it.
With planetary we were forced to collect user data and make it so the app called back to a centralized block list. Manyverse solved it by providing no server information at all in the app. Both solutions sucked.
Apple simply doesn’t believe decentralized systems exist.
Again apple is AOL
The old “forced intermediary” rent seeking BS
Ooooh! Apple pay! THAT’S the reason!
I mean, ask them to make apple pay accept bitcoin and act just like getalby and zeus (the 2 I use here) so we can use apple pay.
I’m curious to see what they would say.
There is your answer. In some years Apple will invent the new apple Vakue4Value program where you can tip other Apple product users via Apple pay...
..and a little tiny fee.
Stupid question,
would they be happy, if you could buy sats with apple pay?
Then the connection is done.
I linked you an earlier discussion I had with Dave about it
Have you tried escalating the situation? Most of people that work on the Apple’s review process don’t have a lot of context nor permission, they are almost bots. Apple has given exceptions in the past for me because I pointed out that other apps were doing something similar and they would have to take them down as well.
I’ve had two calls with them. Never pointed out the other apps though because i don’t want to put other nostr apps at risk.
In Germany you would be called „Ehrenmann“ 💪🙏🫂💜
It sounds silly but as a developer I’m just trying to share how I managed to get around some of their nonsense rules.
I also had a few calls with them a few years ago. Did you ask to escalate? I remember that the first person that I spoke couldn’t do much they were going to take to their team for further discussion. Also; the person didn’t know much about crypto.
After two calls, I requested to escalate the issue to their manager, and the app was approved again.
I never had any issues publishing new versions going forward.
I think nostr:npub129vmq7s27rsgsaj7tvj5639ekd05w7sesh8l3hsm9vcw7wc2q0fs0406w3 has the right idea. Not mention the other Nostr apps, that's tiny. But why NOT point out:
- Twitter can accept tips
- Reddit can accept tips
- #Minds is all about posters being paid through their "token" and advertises 5M users
It would not hurt any of the above to get mentioned. Any others?
Then, I think you are ready for another call with them 😉
I know nothing about #Minds but their site is hilarious and they have their iOS app no problem (another spam token, who would have thought those are still around):
Please Apple just natively integrate sats into the Apple Wallet. Charge brokerage to buy sats whatever…… the sooner the biggest company on earth starts settling on BTC/LN the better.
The Trojan horse is set, merchant payments direct between iPhones is here, biometric security for end users already implemented. Apples brand reputation is better than all the banks as is their balance sheet.
Hopefully the nostr rage is enough to push them into seriously exploring it. Find it hard to believe there is not an internal team at Apple already testing.
They shut down the crypto banks. Need like a customize
They do have a P2P framework, Apple Cash. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-cash-apple-payments-inc/
Not a quick fix, but one could make Damus more similar to a browser with Damus store and third party modules. That way one can unlock zaps and any other micro apps, like one can do in Firefox and Chrome. Or do they plan to ban them next?
#[2] what would it take to integrate lightning into Apple Pay? Are there any extension points? What does it take to approve a new payment system for Apple Pay? I think this line of questioning may help Apple feel like we are complying.
Insane
What would happen if instead of removing Zaps, Damus adds Strike tipping integration next to the zap button? Not sure if you can redirect a Strike zap to a lightning address and have it still integrated on Nostr?
At this point Damus does what the Twitter app does. They can deny the Damus app, but I doubt they will deny the Twitter app.
Interesting idea
AAPL heard people were tipping and got upset they weren’t getting their 30% per transaction 😏
😭
They have done nothing with a lightning native wallet. Sat on their hands for years. Luddites.
I’ve never used Apple Pay and now I never will. Can’t support hypocrisy
I’m skeptical of the value of bitcoin, long-term.
It simply competes with sovereign currencies too much to not be seen as a political threat.
Capitalism works because to use capitalism you’re not allowed to use violence; if you use violence, you’re not allowed to use capitalism anymore, because then they ban you from SWIFT.
From a computer science perspective, it’s just a badly designed data structure, to require the hash of all previous instances of the contents of a linked list, that just doesn’t scale.
Pondering.
That’s exactly what they’d have us do. In-app currencies were a bad UX workaround for lack of pure p2p transactions.
But hey, if they’re not running the cashier window, how’re they gonna keep their cut? 😐
That’s exactly what they expect
It’s highly unreasonable of them.
Other Bitcoin and crypto wallets exist in the App Store, so how the hell can they justify banning this?
Makes no sense.
