What is a facebook/twitter/instagram users benefit of joining here if their friends are there?
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Well, if enough of them join here, then their friends literally will be here 🙃
I find it hard to believe that anyone that is active on Facebook, will be here.
Benefits, value for value.
Decentralised.
You can put the work, run a relay, support the network, be uncensorable (is that a word?)
Can you do value for value elsewhere? What does decentralization add to the life of a facebook user?
Freedom on Social Media.
What would that mean to the users there?
1. To access a wide range of information, not just what is being put infront of the user.
2. Discuss different political values
3, Share creativity without sensorship.
Just to name a few. We have forgotten what freedom is.
Just to play the devils advocate here, maybe we can reveal something:
1. Is it easy to find information on nostr? If not, what justifies the effort to do so if not the belief in nostr?
2. True, however, do the general people who uses instagram, tiktok, for short videos, doom scrolling all day care about politics? How much are these people of the general population? Why are they doing this?
1. It's a relatively new protocol, and there's definitely room for improvement at this stage. While hashtags are a useful tool, the real challenge lies in the limited amount of content available. Once something emotionally compelling triggers a shift toward #Nostr, we'll see a broader range of information coming in. This could include accounts being disabled, people having to pay for social media services, or simply interactions becoming dominated by bots. This, in turn, could provide strong incentives to take action. Whether it's building new discovery algorithms or witnessing influential news channels adopting #Nostr, change is possible.
2. Personally, I believe that people do care about politics. Think back to the time of the coronavirus – everyone seemed to have a solution, as wee recently discussions about topics like the Ukraine war were prevalent. Additionally, the concept of money is becoming less of a taboo subject as we grow older. With age, we tend to become more interested in the world around us and begin questioning the status quo. It's a natural progression of our curiosity and concern for the world we live in.
Thank you for this well put answer. It's a really nice discussion.
1. So do you think the lack of diverse content is a bigger problem, than the search itself? Do you think most of the available content is searchable via hashtags? Or lots of content can be there, but as it is not indexed nor hashtagged it is not searchable?
2. Can it be, that the current media taught people to be more ignorant due to the high amount of bullshit, causing them to care less about politics? Maybe this can be highly different in different countries though.
1. The lack of content is indeed a problem. For instance, today, I saw nostr:npub1wv79gfl4tn46qxs0vcr6kr73rqethvna0kchk4cw06mmdzsgrkdqmkxye0 asking for other pro athletes to follow, and there don't seem to be many. I could only find a couple of Stoic thinkers here, and that's limited.
2. I think all of us have a bit of poetry, madness, philosophy, and politics in us.
From my side i keep on being patient and gradually building my network here naturally. It's likely that this protocol needs more engineers to discover and develop profitable and interesting ideas.
I think nostr maybe isn't going to be reaching these sorts of users, not now at least. I think growth will come from more visibility. I see this as potentially coming from more the content creators of these sites who could promote nostr as a 'follow me on nostr in case I get banned here' at first. Similar to YouTubers promoting their alt-video accounts like Rokfin and rumble. It could also be similarly used as a 'follow me on nostr for my more spicy takes I can't see here', type deal too.
I think nostr is somewhat not known enough for this to happen yet but it is possible in the future.
In the short term you can see a small increase in more niche communities here atm, nostr seems to attract the banned and shadowbanned lol, (besides 'bitcoin twitter' which are the majority of users here currently).
Hmmm. I think twitter touches more the tech people. But other sm platforms, that collects less tech related, but more people with general interest. Maybe nostrs value proposition as not that apparent.
Maybe these people's usecases are not touched by nostr, or does not worth the extra effort, because they see less upside compared to the effort they need.
Maybe this is okay, maybe not. I am just wondering about value proposition, people's needs, and these sort of topics.
For a content creator, rather than a casual user, relying on sm to make a living, you couldn't fully move here atm, it simply doesn't have the numbers and reach. So it's understandable. That's why I can see nostr spreading more as an additional safety net for content creators maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Then it is kind of the chicken and egg problem. Who shall to come here first? The regular users or the content creators. Both depend on the other, so the move can only be slow. Or maximum if nostr can really add high value compared to the shift.
Somehow I feel, that everything boils down to this:
Value gained / effort to do
If value is high, but effort is high, people might give up, or not even try.
I'm sort of saying that it doesn't necessarily need to happen that way. Like in the same way these YouTube alts (Bitchute, rumble) have grown alongside YouTubers' main accounts, it's fairly common now to see a YouTuber, especially within political and cultural commentary, that they recommend these alts for extended and uncensored versions. That is a potential path nostr can also take ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
finding new friends and learn new things from the people on here
Can't they do that there as well? Why would they change platform to do it elsewhere?
That’s a good question.
Honestly, I don’t think you need to stop using them, I just think by trying new things and expanding your «network» there is an important learning curve. Not only that, I feel like by trying and doing new things, as person one is or become more open minded (hopefully) 💜