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My feed is full of npubs complaining that women shouldn't use Nostr unless they are anon, and probably not even then because you have to like seeing gruesome or pornographic images, and receiving threats and stuff in your feed and your mentions, and women don't like that.

As if most men like that 🙄, but whatever.

They search for women on nostr, in this case 😁

Yeah, but my male followers mute them, too. They want to talk to me without having to wade past gruesome or pornographic images and crazy rants.

Trust me, lots of men will be using the same filters. They are also not here for dickpics and rape threats.

Of course!

Anyone who thinks what you've outlined is an insane person who has never met a woman in real life.

Or another guy for that matter.

Perpetual internet losers.

We actually have trouble getting men to use Nostr because they can get hit with so much garbage during onboarding. They're totally grossed out.

nostr:npub1manlnflyzyjhgh970t8mmngrdytcp3jrmaa66u846ggg7t20cgqqvyn9tn is right that we need sane-person-friendly onboarding options.

clients need to have a way to funnel people into a safe space by electing to during their setup to utilize a WoT based on a suggested follow list, or a collective filter ( this person has been flagged for shitty thing 5 times so is filtered out of safe mode), then users can peel away the protection ( and ofcourse go wild west from the get go). thats, Moro's thoughts...

Yes, that's what his project is about.

It's like with Google image search. The crawlers go over the whole Internet, suppress obvious kiddie porn and other horrendous stuff, and then add safe-search options for people who want to search for "Europe through the back door" and get Rick Steve's travel guide as the first result.

I distictly did not have that problem but I may have simply been fortunate there.

I also had the patience to curate away the garbage that I'm so used to seeing in "regular social media."

Either way, I see the problem that needs to be solved for sure.

A lot depends upon the client and relays that you start off with.

That makes sense. Amethyst and the defaults back from when I signed on. Don't really know what they were.

Amethyst has group-mutes, now, and they've changed up the relays.

I started out surfing global on lol, with no group mutes.

How did you get so much shit and idiots onto your feed? It bothers me that the women on nostr get so much shit from idiots who probably don't even know what a private key is.

Just smash that mute button and perhaps setup some lists with "normal" people. And if you need someone smacked, tag me.

Not sure what female npubs she is seeing on her feed but mine is nothing like this and I follow the majority of females on Nostr.

Some of the npubs harrassing Roya were also just really racist. Everyone pretends like that's not a thing on here, but they'd show up in her thread and be like "You are a filthy whore." and then I'd click on their profile and it looks like a KKK meeting.

Terrible

The Latest home feed of Primal is likely the main source of harrassers finding women. or any place where someone has visibility into more of Nostr.

When I am testing Nos people see the posts and respond even though I generated a key 5 min prior.

There are lots of experiments Nostr could try to resolve this issue:

- Turn off aggregator feeds like Latest for a few months

- Ask people to opt into aggregator feeds

- A variation is only make this post available to my followers, so it will not post on aggregator feeds

- Multiple women have asked for blocks which would prevent people you dont want to see your content from receiving it.

The argument “you should stand behind anything you post” falls apart when women post innocous content and they receive harassment. There’s an assumption behind that argument that Nostr exists in a cultural vacuum. However Nostr exists in a world with all sorts of toxic behaviors and those of us building it need to do a better job of not enabling the toxic behaviors within Nostr.

I’d also suggest removing Trending overall as it seems to be a reinforcing feedback mechanism “of free speech is the only speech and everyone else just needs to suck it up. “

Max Fisher wrote a book called The Chaos Machine which takes an indepth look at how Trending feeds reinforce tribal behavior.

Here’s a poorly taken screenshot from the book. Anyone who wants to better understand the mechanisms behind online harassment should read it.

Edit - Primal’s default ordering of the home feed is:

Trending 24hr

Most Zapped 4h

Nostr Hightlights

Latest

Latest with replies

The last 2 are the feeds of people you follow. The other ones are aggregate feeds.

I understand this is a discovery mechanism for people new to Nostr however it has unintended consequences we should examine.

I stopped using that client after the shadow ban incident. Trust, once lost, cannot be recovered.

What shadow ban incident? My feed on Primal feels, scant. I'm worried shadow bans are occurring.

thanks for sharing your thoughts. I widely agree with everything you've said. I for one don't use any nostr client that has featured or trending posts.