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I am not sure what that is because I donât think you acknowledged his premise that humans are flawed. I am actually not sure what your proposed solution is, just let humans fight humans instead of government fight government?
Hypothetical scenario: disband the constitution and the United States government. Over or under bet that China or Russia will move in?
Theyâll move in and do what?
Make you pay Chinese taxes lol
Whatâs stopping them from doing that now?
The military operated by retards in the government
What is a military?
You tell me, sounds like youâre looking for a specific answer
Making assumptions now?
Iâm simply using the Socratic method as you often enjoy doing. You can find the answer yourself
I am not making any assumptions, I am asking you what your definition of a military is
You said Iâm looking for a specific answer. I never said I was. That makes it an assumption.
I asked you first. If youâre interested in learning a different perspective then answer it. Use the dictionary or whatever you like. If youâre just gonna throw it back at me, when youâve argued that we need a government with all these nonsensical things, that clearly have failed, then just drop the convo because itâs a waste of time discussing with someone who has already made up his mind.
If I am learning a different perspective Iâd prefer to use the dictionary you have
Iâd rather use your dictionary to avoid confusion or disagreements
This is Googleâs dictionary
Is it impossible to have armed forces without a government?
What is the definition of a government?
A group of individuals that use violence, coercion, and other forceful means to compel others to do what they want with or without consent.
This may be where our dictionaries depart
They used the same word inside the definition. This dictionary definition doesnât work. Not surprising.
Your definition may match closely with that of an authoritarian government:
Itâs the same. Government imposes authority over you. Thatâs what it means to be authoritarian.
No further questions?
I think we already established the two distinct dictionaries. We are speaking different languages. Maybe some are narrower? Whether you believe you can or you canât, youâre right.
The dictionary definition you provided contains the same word in the definition. So the definition is not helpful. What is your definition of government? Clearly Iâve shown you a simple example of the influential power and potential for corruption that government imposes.
A government is how a community organizes power to make collective decisions, maintain order, and provide public services.
Was the entire community involved when the constitution, articles of confederation, and Declaration of Independence were created?
The better question is can members of the community choose to get involved?
No. The better question is can âmembersâ choose to opt out freely without violence directed at them. You donât wanna shop at Walmart? You donât have to vote and gather majority support for the right to shop somewhere else. Thatâs freedom. You donât want to pay taxes for cops? Too bad the community âvotedâ so you have to obey or youâll be murdered or thrown in a cage. Thatâs retarded and tyrannical. This type of violence and reasoning means you have no respect for human life.
Your options are fight or flight. If your way of fighting is posting on nostr then 𫡠I see you.
This is the false dilemma or false dichotomy logical fallacy
Yes maybe. I think the next logical question is suppose youâre the American President, whatâs the first 3 things you do?
The thing about fearing authoritarianism and power is that everyoneâs afraid the next big idea end ups being some weird trade off of the same thing.
âThe creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.â
-Animal Farm
Freedom isnât for cowards. And most are ruled by fear. There is no reason the masses should be afraid of the minority that is government. It really makes no sense. https://youtu.be/H6b70TUbdfs
No disagreement here.
Correct. It's not scary to defend the tyrants that enslave you. It's scary to speak out against it. To risk losing friends and becoming ostracized by those who fear change.
Yeah maybe, thatâs what the new tyrants will want us believing also. Thatâs actually the first thing they say to you.
Step down, find a job, stack sats.
Thatâs actually what George Washington did. I think? But that doesnât prevent the next guy from stepping in.
Because you think that the system can be fixed. The system is broken by design. The intentions of the âfoundersâ of this âcountryâ donât matter. In reality, itâs broken and tyrannical.
Suppose thatâs all true. At what point do we go beyond criticizing the thing and do something more to change it?
Before change can happen, you must be aware of the problem. That starts with people who defend false ideas.
Oh I didnât realize you were recruiting đ I think I am going to step down and stack sats.
Youâre showing me a potential for something I already acknowledged, and thereâs a word for that in the dictionary: authoritarianism. The word government by itself is a more generic term, people tend to project personal views and context onto it that says more about the person than the word itself.
Speak for yourself my guy. Your definitions of government imply consent when none was given. Do you know what consent means? No community in human history has ever collectively agreed on the establishment of any government anywhere. Some may want it and others donât. Yet it is still imposed on those who donât, meaning it is NOT consensual and the community did not collectively agree. There is practically no difference between a âgovernmentâ and a mafia. The only difference is that a government gives you a political ritual (i.e. voting) and gaslights you into thinking this whole thing is good for you and what you want. Mafias are at least more honest. Coercion and violence have always been necessary to establish any government. Which means that if you believe government is necessary for society to function, then you believe societies require violence and coercion to function. And that further implies you donât believe in consensual relationships đ¤ˇââď¸
You can think boy all day about this subject, but a government-citizen relationship literally cannot be consensual and can never have a collective agreement from everyone to live under its rule.
I donât disagree with that sentiment. There are at least 2 views on American government :
(1) The American experience is finished. Game Over.
(2) The American experience is an experiment that is still unfolding. Then game on.
âThe experiment of America is new, and it may be delicate.â
-Thomas Jefferson
The experiment has failed 
Yes humans are flawed. So his solution is to give flawed humans ultimate power over others? Makes no sense
My proposed solution is to stop supporting and legitimizing monopolies on violence and theft using all these mental gymnastics about checks and balances and other nonsense.
So do nothing?
Not sure how you equated what I said to doing nothing
I didnât, it was framed as a question. So what do we do instead?
I told you what to do. Scroll up and read it again.
lol, I read you said to stop doing things
Uh huh. Keep going youâre almost there.
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