Gm.

The human brain runs on something like 20 watts of power. Less than a lightbulb. How many calculations it can do per second is partially unknown, but based on various estimates over the years the processing power is generally believed to be something like one exaflop per second. Some estimates are lower in the petaflops, while others are some orders of magnitude higher. Obviously “software” matters too, not just raw processing ability. The programming of the processor ensures that the processing capability is used efficiently rather than wasted.

The top superconductors crossed the exaflop level within the past few years. However, they run on like 20 megawatts of power; a million times more power than the human brain. They’re extremely large and energy intensive.

As a result, datacenter processing capability reaches something akin to the processing capability of a human brain well before that level of ability can be installed in a human-sized robot with similar energy consumption levels as a human.

Now, robots can offload some of their processing to datacenters, but still at a relatively high cost per calculation for a while, and at the general bandwidth limit of whatever the best wireless rate is in a region at any given time.

For some calculation types, of course computers passed humans long ago. A basic math calculator, for example, beats the best humans at calculating mathematical formulas. But when we talk about human brain “calculations” what it means is that the brain is taking in enormous amounts of information (all five senses at high fidelity, plus other indirect senses like acceleration/balance and other inputs), calculating it to make sense of it, calculating all sorts of things to interact with the environment, and simultaneously running the processes related to sapient thought and general problem solving.

As a result, it’s far easier to get a robot to work on an assembly line more efficiently than a human, or to calculate an insane number of protein folding tests, and things like that, than it is for a robot to be able to operate as effectively as a human in the real world with countless unexpected hazards.

For example, imagine a hypothetical robot handyman. It can drive out to your house and fix any residential electrical, plumbing, or hvac issue, or help with various miscellaneous things (fix drywall, get something out of a tree, carry stuff out of your attic, etc), and then drive back to the station. This is a shockingly hard problem. First they need extremely advanced mechanical bodies. Second they need processors strong enough and cheap enough to safely operate in 3D space with all sorts of unexpected things happening around them (compared to a highly controlled manufacturing floor), now all of these skills, and interact with language.

So, AI can start helping us offload certain types of white collar remote work and expand medical breakthroughs before it can replace human level in-field skilled physical labor. And it can start helping with specific in-field tasks that require less programming, like a robot dog or robot butler to watch your property or come with the owner around town, listen to owner commands and carry some of them out, and follow basic rules when left alone, well before it can fully replace a human for many in-field things.

Anyway, that’s a general framework or napkin math to help think through the order of impacts that AI can have as it goes up orders of magnitude in power and efficiency in the coming years.

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Great note Lynn💜

GM🚀☀😎

Good thoughts.

Wait I though exaflop is when Nostr flips X

Best thought provoking note I've read in awhile. Thank you.

Good morning Lyn,

I wish you a wonderful NYE and an awesome year to come!

Stay humble, stack sats. 🧡

The robs continue their ascent.

Sounds right, good thinking

This is why replacing humans with robots, in high-tech factories, usually requires massive up-front investments that often don't pay out, over time. You would need to produce massive numbers of the same precise production-steps, running constantly, at almost-full capacity, just to break even in 10 years, and then you replace the machine and start over.

And if the machine breaks, everything stands still and you quickly slip into negative territory.

And that's always assuming energy and maintenance costs don't rise. Humans usually have more leeway to reduce their running costs than robots do.

This is one major reason, why the Chinese are dumping manufacturing goods on the entire planets' economies. They can't afford to reduce production levels at their factories any further, or they go bankrupt.

But the population is aging and shrinking, so they just produce and export at a loss.

They built crazy-gigantic factories, to lower cost/item, but the math doesn't check out.

And here's the thing: you can quickly lay off workers, in an economic downturn, or just stop hiring and allow for natural attrition to whittle down the workforce.

But you're stuck with the machines, and nobody will want to buy them because they also have machines they want to sell.

Bullish for handymen

I know of a few people that run on way less than 20W 🤭

Impressive analysis! But I think nothing can beat the human brain.

tradeoffs

Bullish on working in the construction trades!

I think we are a little ways off from that. When a robot can offer the superb customer service that a skilled technician can deliver, come talk to me. Humans understand other humans.

Good morning, Lyn

And I just put your book by the door to orange pill a work friend later today. Keep it going Lyn

energy is key

until we can harvest e=mc2 out of common matter in some way (antimatter) the question of replacing humans is completely off the table, in fact, it's not just off the table, it's on the other side of the galaxy, at least

economics also dictates that everything boils down to how much energy you can muster and what machinery you can power it with to do your necessary labors...

since our 20W exaflop processors are far from any risk of being obsoleted, taking care of those things is probably the most important priority for human action at this point

yes, some basic things, like keeping the house clean, monitoring our property, these machines can kinda do that for us, mostly, but i severely question whether they are even needed

humans can make huge efficiency gains by improving communication and access to information

that is the most important thing and that's why you, my lady, are here on nostr

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Thank you for this explanation. I don’t have the technical knowledge to lay this out, but this was my thinking.

We are some ways away from blue collar work being assigned to robots.

I’m in the pest management industry and they still need us humans to slink inside crawl spaces to remove pests 😆

This is all well and good but at what point does consciousness enter the discussion? No one seems to want to go there but we have to at some point. And then bigger questions arise as to th nature or consciousness itself. It would be ironic if it is AI that finally ends materialism.

well that is one heck of a GM!

Taking your thoughts further this fits very nicely into the idea of a deflationary currency and the impacts on manufacturing and the economy.

AI and its applications are more efficient for specific tasks, basically being limited by processing speed and bandwidth as you already mentioned, but also data that is machine readable. At least for now more less limited to the realm of the digital. Machines will be very useful to manage large amounts of data and will help us to make the step from reducing large amounts of data to trends and qualitative insights hidden in the data.

Humans are magnificent in being able to perform a lot of things but are more error prone for repetitive tasks but magnificently versatile.

Deflationary environments help to lay off the humans and replace them with more efficient special purpose machines designed for that specific purpose. People are then freed to be placed in more productive positions.

This has quite a nice effect on the economy like reducing prices while increasing productivity but requires people to learn and grow (which is usually not preferred in democracies where people do decide their fate mostly based on their emotions)

The fiat system basically lives of keeping people in their respective jobs by locking in the current state of the economy and the production and keeping it there as long as possible. We also see this in our recent past, we do build on the shoulders of giants but we really have issues with innovating substantially, which is, in my opinion, a function of not having a sound currency.

Lyn, I think one flaw in this line of reasoning is the unexamined assumption that the human mind is something akin to a computer chip. Brain /= mind

When we design machines, we usually design towards "the best possible capabilities and qualities", while the brain is evolutionary designed as "the easiest solution that barely works".

That's one reason why there are so many orders of magnitude differences. The brain is good at ignoring vast amount of information, cutting through the space of possibilities, etc - it is barely working on the thing that seems the most important.

E.g. brain has the main alertness only on a very narrow field of view. The rest of the field has only basic "is there a tiger jumping on me?" type of alertness.

Correct also offloading compute to a centralised data centre has the speed of light problem, even with fast networking the latency is too high for anything real time.

But now they are using brain cells in computer chips. Why make the chips more efficient when you can make them human. Pretty crazy human brain cells tortured for computation.

https://finalspark.com/neuroplatform/

This is why you’re my favorite, Lyn. Love your insights.

a squirrel‘s brain can navigate a non-lab-world with adversaries fast and well. The problem is not processing huge amounts of data. That data gets reduced quickly. Your ears practically turn wav files into mp3 before the data enters your brain. The problem is getting a good approximation of the real world in simulations. Reinforcement learning needs enormous amounts of repetition while reality is slow and expensive.

Another eye-opener. Thanks again, Lyn.

GM!

AIs ( particularly LLMs ) serve millions of clients on a narrow band of skills - eg wordsmithing ( or code spitting:-) ..

AGIs ( human brain) serve only one customer ( our body) for millions of skills .

They are extreme opposites .. first is energy hog , second must be energy efficient.. by design ..

The idea that #AI would somehow lead to #AGI is like throwing something on a wall hoping it would stick 😭

We are getting into 99-2000 era of dot AI bust cuz hype is way beyond value ..

On the other side , #bitcoin is enormously underpriced ..

This path is pretty well described by Hans Moravec in his 1988 book "Mind Children." I assume it's available at your local library, or at the internet archive for those interested.

I once made my brain produce 500W of power while taking a math final

… or one brain to rule them all