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To me it really looks like Nostr-based music streaming is a dead fish. nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg hasn’t posted or developed anything for a year, nostr:npub1v5ufyh4lkeslgxxcclg8f0hzazhaw7rsrhvfquxzm2fk64c72hps45n0v5 is focused only on podcasts (is great!!).

Where are all the musicians on Nostr in general? I’m not talking about the ones who are primarily known on Nostr and are great (Joe, Ainsley, etc) ❤️ — I’m talking about all the other musicians out there… I could count all the musicians on Nostr on my two hands…

Nostr could provide the dream platform for musicians! So where is it?

Sidenote: @TIDAL was supposed to have direct payments but lately talks nothing about it anymore…

Any insights anyone?

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There were and are many attempts. None successful yet, which is not that surprising that many artists already have quite a lot on their plate already and, at a larger scale, music is a business controlled by only 3 companies that have enough power to strangle any innovation.

Funny I should find your note this morning, when no later than yesterday evening I made my first live twitch as I'm precisely ambitioning to take along those who would like to board the crypto-decentralized train for music...

In the meantime, you may want to have a look at https://allfeat.org/

Choon, Musicoin or Hyperspace may no longer be around, but I keep being confident that we'll get there eventually.

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@patricelazareff very interested in allfeat - are you a part of this team?

Not really. I've been following them since the beginning and met the CEO recently at the MaMA festival (a big indie music event in Paris, France). I decided to invest and get some of their $AFT tokens. The main obstacle is that most indie artists are not so informed about the administrative side of music and that many professionals (publishers mostly) tend to be very defiant about blockchain. Convincing both is gonna be a challenge. But Allfeat are already connected to many people and could join the DDEX consortium, that's encouraging.

Yes. Encouraging. I reached out to them. My folks have been working on the back end trying to help solve the IP problem and we understand the pushback with blockchain. I think the publishing answer is with blockchain though. The free and open or V4V is also a very hard sell on the artist side. The average album costs 12,000 USD and hoping people send value isn’t the best business strategy either. You’ve probably found here in Nostrland that many people disagree with me on this. BUt we absolutely need a return to music being valued, not free.

Glad that you reached out to them, they also run discord and telegram channels. I too am convinced that blockchain is a large part of a better ecosystem for music rights management. It is not a surprise that SACEM (the french PRO that also runs ASCAP in the US and PRS in UK) is using blockchain (Tezos, I believe) for their date-proofing system called MusicStart, which is free to use for their members. Even in a decentralized blockchain-based system, they probably still would be needed (as a digital signature) for identity checks.

Totally agree also on the valuation of music. My opinion is that it's not actually music that is undervalued but music recordings, which are a slightly different thing. When I started in this business, in the mid 80's, recording an album cost far more than 12k, more like the price of a house. And, from the label's perspective, the recording budget represented from 2 to 8% of the total production cost as you had to add manufacturing objects (vinyls and cd's and cassettes), shoot a video-clip (and that would cost as much as recording, mixing and mastering the whole album) and pay the promotion in the hope that journalists would like the music so you could finally reach the public. Technology has hopefully short-circuited most of this but with side-effects. And like in any domain, the retail price is somehow linked to the production cost, and the latter has been reduced to next to none, especially since Suno, Udio and the likes.

All that being said, I'm very hopeful that this situation will lead the public to value more the music in itself, especially in direct live moments, probably largely improvised, so one knows that what they're witnessing did not exist before and will not happen ever again afterwards. DJ sets and improvised electronic music performances are a good example of that, imo.

Sorry for such a rant...