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It’s also reasonable to assume that early versions of humans ate wild berries much earlier than when they learned to hunt. I don’t buy the whole vegetable / fruit = bad for you argument.

Matt 1y ago

Your argument isn't better. Humans eating something early on doesn't mean that it is therefore healthy for us. Something may have life sustaining nutrients but that doesn't mean it won't lead to disease or earlier death.

We look for cancers on PET scans by sending a sugar (Fluorodeoxyglucose) throughout the body for cancers to metabolize and light up on the imaging. It stands to reason (in my mind) that getting your nutrients from something not full of sugar/carbs (cancer food) is probably a smart choice.

So yeah, early humans probably at a lot of things, but we have something called science now that can allow us to optimize what we eat based on biological processes. So not live just long enough to reproduce and die.

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Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

Yeah, I don't think these evolutionary arguments are good, because of multiple flaws such as the fact that evolution selects for reproduction not longevity.

But I've heard several centarians who, when interviewed about what they eat, were massive fruit lovers. Of course it is a selection bias. But maybe something else that is in the fruit protects them from the cancer feeding effect of fructose. I dunno.

Matt 1y ago

You can get everything in fruit from other foods without the sugar though. I love cigars. I know of a dude who made it over 100 smoking like 8 per day. I'm still going to limit my consumption because I know that risk percentage is what really matters, not individual results. Biology has so many factors that it's essentially a lottery. At least you realize the bias though. And I love to have fruit sometimes, and pizza. But I do so knowing that it's not the best source of nutrients. I just don't like that we push the antioxidant and nutrients of fruit without also stating that you can get all of that without the sugar and high carbs.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

Did you know that African hunter-gatherers get about half of their caloric intake from honey? Talk about sugar and high carbs!

My point is only to throw shade on the dumb argument that meat is healthy because it is our ancesteral food. Fruit and honey, LOTS Of honey, also were our ancesteral foods.

So maybe meat ain't that hot. Believing religiously that meat must be a perfect food is... just religion.

inventor 1y ago

Yes. And you probably haven't traveled around the world? Because in every country around the world there are lots of these kinda cults around weird diet theories, going against this or that ingredient... it's pathetic.

I see them all going crazy in different directions and I'm like, bruh, just give me pasta and good beef and shut up.

Matt 1y ago

I don't care what you or anyone else eats around the world. I care when people push bullshit arguments simply because they like a food. You can like pasta all you want. I like pizza. That doesn't mean it's good for me and doesn't increase the risk of disease.

inventor 1y ago

who pissed in you cheerios mate?

Matt 1y ago

Expressing a fact or opinion doesn't mean someone has pissed in my Cheerios. I just tend to be direct with what I think or how I feel. I don't mean anything bad by it, and people should probably do it more often instead of beating around.

I don't fold simply because someone else is afraid to tell the truth, which in this case is that they want to consume something that isn't great for them while hiding behind bullshit arguments.

I smoke cigars and eat pizza. lol But I'm not going to beat around about it, and it seems you don't either with pasta. I'll just tell people to fuck off and light my cigar.

But going on about prehistoric humans eating berries to justify a liking of sweet fruit annoys me. I just like the taste of berries and know very well that there are better foods with the same benefits. Protein and fats are better for us than carbs and sugar. The evidence of that is very clear to me.

I just want people to be honest. Enjoy your pasta.

inventor 1y ago

I like ketogenic diet, but I'm not fanatical about it.

People on the internet get very fanatical about literally anything.

Opinions!

Yes, I'm gonna enjoy my pasta, and Nutella dessert after that, accompanied by good coffee of course. ☕

Matt 1y ago

I'm also not convinced that every human should have the same diet. For example, I'm of European decent and pretty white. Dairy was important for my ancestors. Most Asians would be harmed by my diet. So it isn't quite as simple as some people make it.

HoloKat 1y ago

Yeah I doubt early humans died of cancer from sugar-filled berries 😆

It’s more likely they were malnutritioned due to lack of variety of food.

Matt 1y ago

You can doubt whatever you want. I never said they did, for the record, only that your argument was nonsense. Everything I've said is known fact. You're speculating about something we dont even know for sure as an argument supporting a particular food. That isn't evidence that something is good for humans. People have historically done lots of things that weren't good.

HoloKat 1y ago

Your replies are really rude. Go away.

Matt 1y ago

It's okay that you like berries. So do I. But that doesn't mean it's the best source of the nutrients in them. Sugar is bad for us. Carbs are bad for us. You can moderate them and reduce the odds of complication, great. But that doesn't mean that early human diets are necessarily good, and not every group of humans would necessarily benefit. Cancers feed on excess sugar. That's their food. They don't really like fats and protein. This isn't a huge jump in logic. They are eating what we eat.