I think btc or bust for nostr’s success will not be as successful as one might hope. Mainstream users (aka normies) want key features/unique experiences, value props (does it solve a key problem) and then economic incentives.

Few probably think btc is the key to anything in their immediate futures.

It is not even clear that 100s of million of people care enough about owning their data, privacy, and the ability to carry on without govt control at this point.

While really important issues those are more complex conversations which take time and application maturity to have.

Explaining everything nostr/btc can do is likely to overwhelm normies.

Start with the basics of a conversation, the hello. Help them solve their problems in a unique and engaging way, then you have the trust needed to expand the conversation.

Think about chatting on a 1st date vs asking someone to marry you. You cannot start there. You have to put in the time and earn the right to ask that question.

Crypto has made the same error. Everything is on chain and this is the best way to live and work. So far that narrative is not getting 100s of millions or billions of users to adopt those apps.

I think it can once the conversation moves to simpler and less significant buy in requirements. The same is true of Nostr.

Humans like to nibble, to dabble. Put their toe in the water. Etc. So first experiences will make or break things from a repeat use perspective.

While the same few 10-20 million people (total swag) like to jump into the deep end of the pool you need 100s of millions more to change how the world works (in terms of adoption)

So build new types of apps on nostr along with cloning ones that need to be cloned/improved. Make the UI/UX seamless, beautiful, idiot proof.

In addition to the above UI/UX work I would say Relay scaling and Relay economics is a key pain point. A hobby network wont scale to 10s or 100s of millions and the bills have to be paid.

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Short words: What works for a handful of tech enthusiast usually doesn't work for million's of normies 🙂 agreed.

I agree as well. If we perceive mainstream adoption we need to understand the mainstream incentives. We’re incentivized to make #bitcoin work because we believe in it. For mainstream you would need different incentives. I think a primary incentive is convenience so if bitcoin is implemented in their apps and software they’re using daily and it’s clear bitcoin is the best option available they’ll go for it.

These so-called (I'm a bit dubious about the labelling tbh lol) normies won't come and stay here or any new app in any significant numbers as long as the content is self-referential b!tcoinismspam.

That being said I can imagine one scenario in the short term at least that could possibly work. (I'm sure more scenarios are kicking about lol, I'm just into the idea of this one lol). The Communities function. Groups could be set up in those parts, with apps catering to keeping the noise of 'st4ck s4ts and st4y Humb1e' cordoned off, or totally removed. In the same way most people never check the unfiltered Global feed, and have somewhat forgotten it's even there.

Sort of feel nostr may always be fairly niche, which is totally fine. Or maybe there will be an app built on nostr that reaches mass adoption and the users aren't even aware of the word nostr. Suppose that's possible too.

Anyway just typing this out on the #toiletchain 🧻 and having a little think lol;)

ive settled to the realization that it was made for b!tc0iners only and its walled garden to it, ppl just cant mention nostr without the word b!tc0in, very small chance it will get mass adoption and im fine with it

I think that's probably sensible way of seeing it. And I agree. I'm just entertaining the thought of discord/Reddit/other groups who are perhaps looking for a more stable online community platform away from censorship or whatever coming. An app catering towards that discussion/Reddit style, and the twitter -style b!tcoin feed being tucked away or not even seen.

i think this could happen if a normie / nonb1tc0iner dev/s start making a new client (maybe a paid app w/ fiat!) like nostr:npub10fuz7xdgxyfsvgks3fd27wx36ffwx5ku5jckdq7vklvnzu0g7y8swl7gd7

note to self : always remember untagging people in replys 🤦🏻‍♂️

I think btc tipping is fine and desirable, even the mythical normies I meet own some btc and would like that tipped. (They just don't shout about it). But there are scenarios where content creators need cash for costs, relying on it for income, buy equipment (and they don't fancy the extra steps of conversion). I suppose there are plenty of options already for that tho, drop a Kofi link or whatever in a note. But yeah also maybe integrated as another option in a nostr app would be fine for that requirement too. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

oh yes i dont mind zaps/tips, but the thing is ppl here are so anti fiat i dont think they consider paid apps or subscrition based apps that could be alternative income

i definitely would pay 3-5 bucks for a good well designed nostr app/client if its available in the app store, just look how succesful tweetbot was (now ivory in mastod)

My team is looking at nostr to build a slack for devs, startups etc. We have already built a Discord alternative called Catalyze on Dfinity’s Internet Computer chain. Catalyze.one. Some have suggested we port that to Nostr as well. Lastly we built a Reddit for gamers and anime fans on the Sui chain. Gilder.io. Lots to do and happy to discuss what to go after first.

I also might be feeling a bit more hopeful about nostr since the hidden words filter came about lol. Let me enjoy my toilet echo chamber

I agree normies is not ideal or fair. Mainstream or volume users is less negative. I do think the idea of Nostr thematic communities will be a better way to grow and differentiate it from X et al.

One giant worldwide Nostr which is heavily weighted to all things BTC wont work very easily. But micro social networks organized by communities or topical areas would allow people to find their tribe. Posts that are thematic stay on in that micro community and general posts where the masses would or may care could be funneled to a general purpose community which could be the highlight reel from the micro communities.

Thanks for all the zaps!!!!! 😌