It's very interesting how people don't get mad when you tell them that birds don't exist or that cars aren't real.

However, they very often get mad when you ask them to prove that the Earth is a spinning ball, viruses exist and nuclear weapons exist (the atom has been split), etc.

Birds clearly exist. You can watch birds, feed them, you can even maybe own one.

Cars obviously exist as you can own one and drive it.

However, how would you prove that the Earth is a spinning ball, the atom has been split, and viruses exist?

Usually people try to with endless appeals to authority/popularity, shifting the burden of proof, or other fallacies.

- "Well, here is a picture of Earth taken by NASA - clearly it is a spinning ball". Even though these images have been admitted by the artists who created them to be CGI composites, often cloud patterns are reused, small countries seem to be larger than continents, etc.

- "Well, the United States used nuclear weapons in Japan on the 6th and 9th of August 1945 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, therefore the atom has been split. It is impossible that they just dropped large bombs, they had to have dropped atomic bombs because the news said so."

- "Well two people who live together got sick at the same time, so viruses exist, even though one has never been isolated".

And the more questions you ask them, their subconscious recognizes that all they have is appeals to authority, aka blind faith.

This is when most people experience cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort experienced when a person holds two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes simultaneously. This discomfort often motivates individuals to change their beliefs or behaviors to achieve consistency and reduce the unease.

And as Mark Twain said "It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

What percentage of the population has the mental strength to admit that they've been fooled? In my experience, the number is very low.

Most people just reply with "Well, why would they lie?" (appeal to motive) or "Well, you aren't an expert, so you don't know what you're talking about" (appeal to authority).

- In other words, "If you are unsure that God exists, go to a Seminary school or a Church and the Priests will tell you all about him".

At least the subconscious of these people works very well. They recognize that all they have is blind faith, which makes them mad as you proceed to ask them questions they don't know the answer to, but they just don't have the mental fortitude to go one step further and examine the evidence objectively.

Subconsciously they know the evidence could lead them somewhere they aren't willing to go.

I worked for decades as a broadcast engineer. The formulas we use to determine the coverage of radio stations work perfectly, and are based on (among other things) the sphericity of the Earth. If the Earth were flat, FM stations from Tasmania could be heard routinely and clearly in the Hollywood hills.

We've known about the sphericity of the Earth since Eratosthenes' intelligent experiments 2200 years ago. When the Christians burned the great libraries and philosophic schools, they imposed vulgar Semitic fables on us, such as the "flat Earth." The rediscovery of European science and natural philosophy in the Renaissance got people thinking again, with Columbus's and Magellan's great voyages among the results.

Every single radio station in the world, and there are tens of thousands of them, proves that the Earth is a sphere -- as does even the most basic understanding of our intellectual heritage.

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Radioamateur, my first company did broadcast fm stations. Confirm 100%

I should admit, when you work with waves, resonance, propagation of waves, you learn so much about so many aspects of physics. I often find myself using wave knowledge to interpret fields of physics that usually are not considered connected with electromagnetic waves.

There are still many mysteries at the edges of our knowledge, as for example in the behavior of light, which can be explained as either particles or waves, without either seeming completely satisfactory. We are bumping up against the underlying structure of reality, and against the limits of our ability to know. It gives a feeling of awe.

Not really a mystery, just poorly explained to most people.

Look up the Eliezer Yudkowsky explanation for quantum theory on Less Wrong. Not a particle, not a wave, no more observer paradox.

Thank you!

Many points there, in regards to "We've known about the sphericity of the Earth since Eratosthenes' intelligent experiments 2200 years ago.", I don't know who "We" is in this statement but all ancient Civilizations, religions and races believed in flat earth.

Spinning ball Earth is a recent phenomenon.

If you are intellectually honest and interested on the topic, check out:

1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgtS6qa5hY

2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvjSC_Zo77s

"The formulas we use to determine the coverage of radio stations work perfectly, and are based on (among other things) the sphericity of the Earth. If the Earth were flat, FM stations from Tasmania could be heard routinely and clearly in the Hollywood hills."

1 Unicorn + 1 Unicorn = 2 Unicorns, the math checks out, therefore Unicorns are real.

Meanwhile, you can shoot lasers much further than you should be able to (assuming a globe of said proportions), and you can see much further than you should be able to (assuming a globe of said proportions).

This of course does not prove flat earth, it could still be a globe, just 100 times bigger in diameter than advertised.

Here is just one example of hundreds, you can buy a Nikon camera, go to one of these places and test for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdzBv6hD8_Q

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*catholics you mean

they purged a lot of things, the cathars, they were involved in instigating the crusades, the spanish inquisition, in modern times one i never heard of was the conspiracy theory stuff about freemasonry, which is actually just a thing along similar lines as rosicrucian and other scholar-focused studies of spiritual texts. the catholics tried to eradicate the book of enoch, even though it appears multiple times in the bible, and is even basically quoted by most of the more famous statements of jesus, the whole thing of "word of god" was done by them as well, where in fact before the formation of the roman catholic church, there was very wide diversity in doctrine and practice of christians. the gnostics, the essenes, the cathars, and a whole load of other crazy things. like the bogomil in the balkans, that's actually where the word "bugger" comes from. and of course such a list of crimes would need to include the pedophilia of priests, the frauds of certain nuns, and other similar scammery.

not like any religion is free of this insanity. ISIS, ISIL, the muslim brotherhood, the buddhists setting themselves on fire, the falun gong thing, the sanyassins and osho, etc etc etc. but i just wanted to focus on the fact that most of the crimes associated with christians relates to the catholics. and in more recent times, the crazy evangelical shit in USA is pretty much awful as well. the branch davidians...

That is a myth. No one taught the earth was flat in the Christian world. Columbus wasn't considered crazy for think the earth was round, he was considered crazy for thinking the earth was small enough to sail to India by going West. His detractors were correct because they knew the actual circumference of earth.