You said you reject collectivist arguments. Race isn't real is a collectivist argument.
> I cant self select into a job as an athlete for reasons along the same axis
Correct. Genetics. People seem to have a much easier time admitting that athletes are genetic phenoms.
> I have no idea where you got the carribean from
In the book you mentioned Sowell argues that Caribbean Blacks had different culture to enslaved Black Americans.
Read my words, i never said race isnt real, i never said its a construct. I do not have any clue where you are getting this from. You are talking about someone else. You might be referring to the original post, not me, post an id otherwise.
Your point being? Does it take a genius to contribute to society in an industrial capacity? No, in fact the industrial revolution was led by blue collar workers, not academics with fancy degrees.
Great, but i personally dont know the first thing about carribean culture outside of some catchy calypso tunes. I can tell you about american culture, having spent a lot of time talking to a lot of black people, north, south, west coast, rich, poor. I can tell you a lot about white people too, having lived in the four corners of the US, i can tell you about muslim culture in the US, i can tell you about asian culture in the US. Ive been to south korea, singapore, the Philippines, thailand, dubai, bahrain, france, a few others, but i cant tell you anything about them because i havent truly taken the time to learn those cultures, france had nice landmarks and good food, skip bahrain, dubai was very clean.
First post in this thread - Race doesn't exist
2nd post - Race absolutely exists
Then you enter to claim culture. If you believe race exists why did you enter the conversation? And why did you use a book that I am now starting to wonder if you actually read to make your argument?
Your only friend was making a point that the BLM riots were a product of genetics, and my response that it is a product of culture. Hence why i literally wrote
>genetics
Culture
Directly referencing the exact word i took issue with. Did i write
>race
Culture
In reference to whether race exists? No, no i did not, because race exists, obviously. At no other point have i made a collectivist arguement, yet ive had to write this 3 times now because you thought you could win some cheap points and keep doubling down.
Is race genetics or is race culture? Because culture actually is socially constructed. There is no significant genetic difference between southern and northern Belgians but their cultures are dictated by their linguistic relationships with the Netherlands in the north and France in the south. Obviously all of these groups are White but they have significantly different cultures.
I’m now dumber for having read through this thread between you two.
Intelligence moves along a bell curve by race. It’s not that we’re all smart, or we’re all dumb by race. There’s simply a higher likelihood of being dumber or smarter on avg depending on your race.
Those legal immigrants that are successful in the US are successful by selection bias. They figured out out to get here, stay here, and make money here.
Of course they’ll be more intelligent.
Does culture have an effect here?
Sure.
So does biology.
> Does culture have an effect here?
> Sure.
On intelligence, or outcomes?
Potentially both.
IQ is malleable to a certain degree. After all, it’s just a test.
Outcomes will be better with “better” cultures.
I would say outcomes have to do with how much bullshit about getting things done is part of the culture. It amazes me that affirmative action still gets traction in the general population when every bit of evidence shows that it just gives privileges to people that they would not earn by merit, and attracts free riders.
And with that, ive been up for >18 hours, the internet is workibg thanks to yours truly, i do appreciate that theres room in this world for people of your beliefs to exist, even if i detest them, good night.
