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## Announcing BudaBit: The Club for Builders in Freedom tech

Share, discuss and inspire each other: I am launching [BudaBit](https://budabit.club) , a club-like space based on Flotilla.social , an app for relay-based communities by nostr:nprofile1qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgsppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qgewaehxw309a5xyu3wvdhhyctrd3jjuum0vd5kzmp0gankr4 .

If you are a builder (or an aspiring builder) in the space then you are most welcome! What we will be doing in the club:

- Share our work with the group to receive constructive feedback

- Bouncing ideas off each other in meaningful conversations

- Networking with like-minded people

I see this as a new settlement in cyberspace where we builders take the land and make it thrive together. I have many plans with this club. I want to make it ever more attractive to and with those people who see value in such a thing.

To join: You are either whitelisted already because I am following you, or you will have to drop a DM or tag me in a post. Unfortunately there is no way as of yet to submit a join request.

Meet you inside! 🤙

Hi five. 👋🏼

I’ve developed an library for Nostr devs to integrate webs of trust recommendations into their projects.

Live demo: https://grapevine.my

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FINALLY, A LIBRARY TO DECIDE WHO TO DISTRUST.

GrapeRank actually does a great job at weeding out bots and bad actors without resorting to the popularity contest of follow counts…

my grapevine is empty. is that because I don't follow anyone?

Well … it doesn’t HAVE to be that way.

GrapeRank is an extensible algorithm, which accepts ANY kind of input for interpretation (normalization) … currently we have “interpretation protocols” for follows, mutes, and reports.

We COULD add a few more and get your web of trust measured in Zaps and Heart emojis?

okay, now I'm trying other npubs, and still not getting any results

👀 … hold my #coffee

Hey captain. When you get “no results” … is it just blank (after the “your grapevine network …” message) or is there actually output with zero results…?

Captain. I’ve restarted the server. May have been “stuck” with another calculation and unable to deliver results “for you”. Please try again fresh … and help me troubleshoot?

https://grapevine.my

My captain.

I finally fixed that bug … which prevented you from being able to generate your grapevine.

And yes, turns out that still, your generated grapevine (with current settings) is pretty much useless because you don’t follow anybody.

https://grapevine.my/demo/4b5ebf446764e330644d4162924a86a73c5173098cbb00db0a690b097006a08e

Good test though. I look forward to having MORE options (event kinds) available so that people like you to can STILL generate a web of trust … even without follows.

What event kinds would YOU like to use as a baseline for web of trust?

great question! I hope that kind 3 is deprecated in favor of named lists, but that brings its own challenge as some of my lists may designate lower quality profiles, but that may not be obvious to an outside observer. ultimately, I think recent interactions provide a better basis for calculating web of trust, but there is obviously more effort to implement that approach

I like “recent interactions” a lot … and fits well into our “pluggable” architecture … if you also know which kinds you wanna track?

And lists fit well also … we (will be able to) ingest rando lists from across your entire network to help generate a grapevine for certain “contexts” … and also we’ll be able to export as a list.

So your “named” nip 51 COULD be dynamically generated by grapevine someday…

I currently use kinds 1, 6, and 7 to track interactions that generate my own algorithmic feed

happy little webs of trust, connecting us all. isn't that neat?

Surprised we haven’t connected before!!!

Hey there!

Congrats to your launch!

Looks like the social graph services scene is coming alive

I am interested to know who might wanna make use of this library, or contribute to it, or fund me to help make it more useful for others?

Interested to connect with others…

Yeah, been following the wot scene for a while, but must admit I could never quite get a firm understanding of how Graperank actually works.

To me the most important part of WoT as I understand right now is actually *how* I know a random person I am not following but want to know more about. Not the actual scores themselves.

However, there is a lot to this area and we barely scratched the surface of what can be accomplished with nostr social graphs. That I am certain of.

Yea. The “scores” are just data, not “yet” useful information. Tell me more about what you’d like to see “output” from an algo engine…