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If someone like Joe Rogan joined nostr it would be seen as a monumental win, however the behavior of users would immediately start to shift from creating to consuming.

While you are not obligated to follow celebrities, their presence and content has a ripple effect, causing the whole platform to become performative. The result is most users just take a back seat and become passive consumers.

Twitter would not have survived without the arrival of the celebrities, yet we saw how that turned out in the long run.

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Ross 1y ago

If nostr starts to gain mass adoption, the things people came here to escape would inevitably arrive.

ODELL 1y ago

AGREE BUT ALSO WOULD STILL BE DIFFERENT THAN CENTRALIZED MEDIA.

MANY INFLUENCERS AND CORPORATE TYPES RELY ON DELETING POSTS, BLOCKING PEOPLE, RESTRICTING REPLIES, AND GAMING CENTRALIZED ALGOS.

NOSTR FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES THAT INCENTIVE STRUCTURE.

Ross 1y ago

True, unstoppable communication is one thing which can't be replicated by a centralized platform.

Trying to imagine how things play out and can't help recall an article posted just yesterday which said Musk was hiring 100 content moderators for X in 2024.

When parasites find an opening they'll exploit it - requiring someone, somewhere to deal with it.

In a decentralized network who is responsible for separating the controversial from the abhorrent? It’s the inverse of the celebrity problem.

Completely different topic, not trying to change the subject. 😆

Rico 1y ago

I don't see what people are NOT posting, if they only consume, it has no impact on me.

And if I don't follow Joe or other celebs on Nostr explicitly, no algo will show their notes to me. Only if my follows boost his notes I see his content. I remain in control of my Nostroverse ✌️

Ross 1y ago

Right, but my point is that the incentives and behaviors change when the survival of the system is on the line.

You personally might feel like you are in control of your experience, but there would be people spending $20k/month to run relays which manage your notes, and all of the notes you are not seeing.

Musk said fuck the advertisers, people will pay for free speech. He was wrong, and things have only gotten worse on the platform. The advertising is awful, the algorithms more agressive.

People want mass adoption of nostr, but mass adoption is expensive. The only proven business model is to steal attention and data from the users.

This is the existential question. Do the people who love nostr truly want mass adoption? When they say that, do they understand the tradeoffs?

_0x 1y ago

The issue with celebrities is that people who are new to the platform need to start from somewhere. Build a social graph. And the algorithm asked them to tick their favorite football player and a politician and a pop star and offered more celebs from there and people got a wrong idea of what Twitter is about.

I agree that really changed the culture. I hear on Instagram so many people grow profiles as a job and continue to game the algorithm to grow reach.

Both are not guaranteed to happen on nostr because there is no one algorithm that can be gamed apart from circle zapping farms potentially.

But users can just not extract signal from zapping amounts by using a different aggregator to explore notes. There’s a chance that this time it’s different.

Ross 1y ago

If lots of people join nostr the algorithms will appear. The system simply can’t scale without them.