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WOT is a social credit score.
But no one cares. Most welcome it or praise it.
Bet you can't change my mind
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Personally, it doesn't help me much to know who to follow or not. Likewise, following someone just because your followers follow them or unfollowing them because your followers silence them is a bit “weird”
Maybe it will help to have an idea of who to follow for the newest ones, just that
They are purposely balkanizing the space. When the eventual webs of trust are formed then the social divisions have weight. Its clockwork.
Step 1 appeal to safety. Scare ppl
Step 2 scared ppl will self organize with others who have same fears.
Step 3. Turn the fearful against each other.
Step 4. While they are fighting each other, we take all their stuff
Old game. People always fall for it. Always.
Follow does NOT equal trust. This was Nostr’s first mistake, to “copy and paste” this architecture from walled garden social, without accounting for the “centralized trust” that every user is required to subscribe to, which Nostr will never provide.
Once Nostr has a discrete and PRIVATE “is trusted” event that users can publish, then the power of decentralized WoT will make more sense.
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Can you elaborate on this upcoming functionality please?
Did you read the article?
I refuse to “push” my own great ideas directly to a NIP, without refining them (or obliterating them altogether) with feedback from other interested parties. I am just a conversation starter. So I’m not entirely sure what the end “specification” will be… except for “Sovereign Webs of Trust”.
Anyway… me anything. I’m happy to hear concerns or ideas.
“Ask” me anything.
To your point of “social score” … the “sovereign” in “sovereign wot” is not just pretty talk. Here’s part of what “sovereign” will require (as per feedback from many)
- “trust” must be explicitly and privatly stated by a user for another user.
- WoT filter algos that do the “scoring” and “recommendations” may be published by anyone (clients, relays, dvms, users).
- A user may subscribe to any published “WoT Filter” for populating content feeds or follow recommendations or other stuff.
- Any “scoring” or “recommending” of users or content is entirely relative to each user and the “network of trusted users” that they have created.
This is some of what makes “sovereign”. Add your own requirements also…
Web of trust is just a term in this context (follows of follows)
My rule of thumb for following people is to follow "the people that I consider the most logical". To me, it doesn't matter if I'm reading a real person or a machine because logic is logic no matter where it comes from.
In that sense, the heuristic for me is that some follows of my follows will "probably" be also logical and that will give me a lot of free time by not searching as crazy through all Nostr for people to follow
Agreed. If I dig your feed then Ill prob follow some of your follows.
I don't post anything substantial thought 😂. Only comment occasionally
this was more substantial than most things on social media fren I wouldnt worry.
Another thing is: sometimes logicality can be pretty difficult to search in a sea of noise. Because I have a lot of follows, I complement all of this with following people that induce me curiosity. I can find later if they are logical or not by just reading their periodic posts
I also recently found the nostrudel WOT test tool. It's a pretty neat tool to search your web of trust in an organized and systematic way
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You mean the PGP signing thing? Of course it is. That’s a good thing.
No I mean the web of trust thing. Promotes xenophobia.
Web of trust originally applied to individual vouching for the PGP key of other individuals. The idea was we could have a few contacts substitute for a central certificate authority.
Oh yaah yes u r absolutely correct. The term has morphed tho. Its a social score based web of trust
why?
PGP email styles would be much better than this thing
The only thing “wrong” with a “social credit score” is IF it is awarded or required by a singular (central) entity. This is not ever how Nostr would or could (not that it does well yet) implement Webs of Trust.
The only thing your statement illustrates is that you have no understanding how humans are biologically wired for “social approval”. (Maybe not for frogs … so there’s that)
Yearning for “approval” (and approving or not of others) is what we do. Might as well make better tools for it … on Nostr.
I understand well enough to explain how it has traditionally been hacked by the unscrupulous and the afraid.
I understand that we are at our best in functional groups. I argue against none of that. I am just saying that this urge for social validation is a persistent and potent vector of attack.
Why are we enabling it again?
Yes. Our drive to be “social” is both the strength and weakness of human nature.
This is why we persist with WoT.
Leveraging the power of humans “trusting” other humans, while protecting the vulnerability that this “trust” exposes, is the ideal position for WoT on Nostr. This balance is not guaranteed, and will be hard work to maintain. However, even the worst outcome, given that Nostr remains a decentralizing force, will simply be that Nostr usage fizzles out for lack of “trustworthy” content.
So yea. That’s my optimistic take. WoT is the best tool we have for “moderation” AND for “recommendation” of notes and other stuff. And Nostr is ready (while we’re young and stupid) to give it a good try.
its a trap. bro. most of you mean well but its the setup. easiest systems to hack are based on trust. an inner circle is easy enough to achieve without the need of social scoring. we used to get upset when men called women a 6 or an 8, because it was dehumanizing and an act of objectification but then we cite danger to the same women as a reason to put a number on everyone.
the flaw at the core is that it is almost always someone in your inner circle who will betray you the most deeply. On the flip side it means that the the clear path to influence becomes ingratiation. the latter aspect makes it more and more difficult to trust and so the circle shrinks, regardless of the numbers.
Easier to not trust anyone or anything on the internet. Verify everything. Every Idea. Every Avatar, Since you cant verify everything you get to put faith only in proveable stuff and proven methods.
This is why I want you to work with us on making bombproof Sovereign WoT for Nostr. I am gonna host another panel discussion on this topic. Will you join us?
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This is why opt-in is so important.
El Salvador should have made bitcoin opt-in