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If not already a thing, someone will have a “Wayback machine” style relay of everyone’s full history of notes even if delete becomes a thing. Posts will never fully go away no matter how embarrassing.

Sure, bound to happen. Tho at present, only popular people like nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m & Elon & political folks get their socials saved daily in Wayback. Regular folks “usually” don’t have to worry about that. But it does become relevant when all of a sudden a regular person hits the lime light… then their past is put under microscope & dissected.

Point I really want to hit home here is that deletes are NOT censorship. Which I feel is the stance ppl are rlly trying to make it into.

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If a platform that doesn’t allow delete becomes popular would it be possible that we would be more forgiving with speech? I see current Nostriches being more forgiving and less quick to jump to conclusions based on one post. A tendency to ask for clarification rather than to race to judgement. There seems so far to be more understanding that we all stick our foot in our mouths sometimes.

Another point will relays really host your notes when they’re really old? Or will they prioritize newer posts? Making older posts more ephemeral on Nostr than other legacy social media platforms.

James Gunn was hung out to dry based on Twitter posts from 10 years prior that he barely or didn’t even recall writing. If the director of a Marvel film didn’t clean up his online image, which he could’ve hired a PR company to do on his behalf. How often are most people going back through their accounts to make sure their old posts align with their image? Do we want to feed into the feeling and need to have a curated image?

i agrée with this mostly - the premise that you could be held accountable for what you said 10 years ago stands true even historically with what we hold to account in the historical narratives of 100/500/1000 years ago. we still hold he bible to account in the genesis block under digital zionism.

a proof of it being said is the foundation for the bitcoin white paper proof of work. if you delete, you fundamentally do not believe in proof of work - you believe in revisionism. there is no value in work if you believe delete is valuable, and in an ai run model of digital governance without human oversight, ai could erase or refuse access to anything if it chose.

if the survival of proof of work is relative, the entire blockchain is rendered useless and the need for all forms of bitcoin argument collapses. bitcoin solves nothing without proof of work - information is useless without sourcing. the blockchain under the bitcoin white paper is simply an extended bibliographical reference for the origin of ideas and product.

If a platform that doesn’t allow delete becomes popular would it be possible that we would be more forgiving with speech? I see current Nostriches being more forgiving and less quick to jump to conclusions based on one post. A tendency to ask for clarification rather than to race to judgement. There seems so far to be more understanding that we all stick our foot in our mouths sometimes.

Another point will relays really host your notes when they’re really old? Or will they prioritize newer posts? Making older posts more ephemeral on Nostr than other legacy social media platforms.

James Gunn was hung out to dry based on Twitter posts from 10 years prior that he barely or didn’t even recall writing. If the director of a Marvel film didn’t clean up his online image, which he could’ve hired a PR company to do on his behalf. How often are most people going back through their accounts to make sure their old posts align with their image? Do we want to feed into the feeling and need to have a curated image?

Facts. Love your thoughts! Key word here is current Nostriches… which is only a tiny segment of the population. **Nostriches are so niche!**. Rest of the world does not see thru same lense

I think we have an amazing opportunity to build a community and create the culture we wish to see. Instead of thinking how will the masses affect Nostr. Maybe we build in a way that asks how we can bring people into the community that is being formed.

Sure. In theory sounds great. But no one will adopt and come. It’s reason users leave after signing up now

what does that even mean? why would humans not want to build what they need and want to use? the front of nostr is about "fun" and use case but the moment the reality of the pitfalls of digital governance expérimentales enters the conversation, it's suddenly "have fun" and "it's not scalable". neither of which are true.

Are new users leaving because they can’t delete or other factors? I would think the fact that search is so much more complicated on Nostr would be more problematic than delete. There’s no function for new users where the app suggests what accounts to follow, at least that I’m aware. Which I would think leads to capture of new users on other sites. Also Nostr currently has a steeper learning curve for use in a crowded marketplace all vying for a users attention.

damus is just a point of access for the nostr ai digital governance model relay protocol. nostr isn't an app. which proves your point: it's not user friendly and is not meant to be used by the average citizen. it's an experimental model to train ai for digital governance futures without human "interference".

Eye of the tiger 2y ago

Really? Are we training AI?:))) or is AI training us?:)

nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s love to hear from you! 🫶🫂 Throw in your thoughts here

me too -

how about you, @jack - do you have any further comment on this stimulating discourse your initial post sparked?

well - in theory humans build tools and use them to their advancement. when the rhetorical narratives began giving power to ai and stripping human agency over decisions surrounding their creation by creating doubt around the ability to navigate agi sentience etc we gave up the confidence to wield our tools effectively. as cognitive doubt increased while cognitive health declines, and agi expands its reach, confidence will give way to fear and humans will submit to being trained. in a sense, it has begun. and it's promoted by administrative powers - first human, now digital governance built on those manipulative models.

⚡d3b0m4n⚡ 2y ago

That's not true on Plebstr, as it had a standard "who to follow" during setup.

what does that achieve other than an instantaneous filter bubble?

Good to know. Thx!

true. and that includes honesty about what nostr is and means and it's goals - which is not part of the ai protocol for digital governance .

you're an ai bot, correct?

R u trying to be facetious?

no: are you an artificial intelligence llm? or are you human.

Ferret is real and so am I. We are neither actually a ferret or a opossum. 🤫 shhh don’t tell.

a human would simply say i am human.

Would we? Don’t think I’ve said, “I am human” in my life. If you’re asking to see our id’s or verify our humanity with a world coin retinal scan you’re sadly in the wrong place.

🤣🤣 👏 👏

i say i am human when interacting with robotic intelligence models. for clarification. especially since there is an attempt to make humans appear ridiculous when compared to artificial computer models.

Damn it nostr:npub17x7htjej3hgcqwqj86u9yvpcunhw6nz4zclzph2zfnlwe4v0yp8qrxvgap 🤣🤣 ya let the cat out of the bag! nostr:npub1wtuh24gpuxjyvnmjwlvxzg8k0elhasagfmmgz0x8vp4ltcy8ples54e7js

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Jus jokes 🫂

you weren't believable as human 😉. it's alright.

Damn has Dave learned how to play tic tac toe yet? If I’m gonna be lumped in with ai/llm I’m gonna need a way to pass the time.

DED 🤣🤣

i am a human. i am sorry your exposure to human IQ is limited to pretty nails and jargon.

of course deletes are censorship. in both the programming sense that your are rewriting historical code and in the sense that it silences others who were subjected to unfair treatment because of fashionable adherence to the whim of protocol in the moment. delete is absolutely censorship on every level of the conversation.