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https://x.com/TulsiGabbard/status/2002503405156151648

Please note that the she says that the EU and NATO are wrong, to say that Russia _would like to_ conquer all of Ukraine and maybe even move West from there, because Russia _is incapable of_ actually doing so.

The Kremlin has now vehemently denied, in response, that they want to conquer all of Ukraine, and definitely not NATO countries. They just want the occupied territories and it's Ukraine being stubborn, that is holding up peace talk. Ukraine says the Russians are being stubborn. Both praise the USA and talks continue. Berlin and Miami are over. Next stop Moscow.

I'm assuming finger-pointing and blame-passing and public whining are actually good signal, as everyone wants to enter direct talks looking like The Reasonable One.

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Laeserin 2w ago

I'm not critiquing her. I meant that it looks to me, like the (pointless) leak from her agency was done, so that she could counter it with her tweet.

syntaxerrs 2w ago

I saw Lindsy Graham making the rounds for any knid of war he can get support for. Including Russia. I think she has never been a fan of him.

freemymind 🇨🇭 2w ago

To be clear. You are claiming, that the defending party and those who support them are war supporters.

This is logically wrong, since a defender has was never asked, if they want to start or continue a war. They only have the option to defend or surrender to the conditions set by the ofender.

Why would someone think, that Ukraine wants peace by the conditions of the attacker?

Is this something people just assume or are there ukrainian sources supporting this claim?

Laeserin 2w ago

I haven't claimed that. Tulsi Gabbard claimed that.

I am claiming that her department might have created some political theater, to give the Russians an opportunity to say that they're not the naughty ones. You know, playing good-cop/bad-cop in front of the social media audience.

freemymind 🇨🇭 2w ago

Ok. I misread in the heat of the conversation. Thanks for clarifying. So would you also support the reality, that Russia is attacking Ukraine illegitimately and that it is best for the free world, when Ukraine can restore the Donbass, Luhansk and the Krimea in order to let everyone know that starting an offensive war only leads to loosing influence, loosing opportunities, without wining anything at all. Even when a country has a big nuclear arsenal.

Laeserin 2w ago

I think the Russian aggression is not justified (adequately) by any previous Ukrainian aggression. In fact, my cynical, jaded, pet theory is that Putin just did all of this because his popularity ratings in Russia were very low. Reminds me of George Bush Jr. immediately launching the war in Iraq, after the whole hanging-chad fiasco.

But eastern Ukraine is a goner. I think most Ukrainians would also admit that.