I told you guys that free relays are the problem. Free relays allow any random to just connect and upload junk. You should all be charging a small fee to register. It would solve many of these annoying people uploading questionable content. Cloudflare doesn't care about what type of software it is. They just don't want to be held liable.
This is annoying. Got a CSAM report for user-generated content that I'm not even hosting. There's nothing I can delete. Apparently Cloudflare wants me to implement censorship lists.
Nostr clients are not legally required to maintain censorship lists any more so than web browsers like Chrome or Firefox are. There's just Cloudflare policy and guilt by association. Understandably, it's easy to confuse a web application url like iris.to/npub1... for a content host.
Should I implement ever-growing censorship lists, at least for visitors who are not logged in? The problem is, someone can just create a new Nostr account and re-post the links to illegal content ad infinitum. When this happens, maybe Cloudflare will get the point. Or more likely, they'll just delete my account.
Maybe there's some other ISP that allows hosting of applications that don't ship with extralegal censorship lists?
Iris native app via Tauri could be a resilient direction, but it kind of defeats the purpose of having a web app in the first place: ease of access, sharing by url and mobile PWAs that bypass app stores.. If you're going to have a native app, actually native-built will probably have better UX.
How are other web clients dealing with this? nostr:npub1v0lxxxxutpvrelsksy8cdhgfux9l6a42hsj2qzquu2zk7vc9qnkszrqj49 nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn
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I don't think profiting off of yhe child pornography makes things any better.
Users who upload questionable content are not willing to pay because they know their content will eventually get removed. So having a fee to register on the relay will keep 99% of garbage users off the relay. It's that simple.
Plenty of people pay to upload content to 4chan, and 4chan posts get deleted after a set period of time. There are plenty of good places to upload child pornography nowdays, but if there weren't I wouldn't mind paying 10 or 100 sats to upload to Nostr.
I'm just saying it's not a bad deal I mean. Personally I don't think Nostr should host media at all, I don't want it getting a lot of unnecessary attention from federal agents.
Nostr does not host media. The relays do.
And all the media spam is coming from the free relays.
Relays should not host media either. They should host text notes only. If you want a media host then upload to Imgr or Youtube or something.
It's up to the relay to host media or not. Some relays host media and others don't. It's the administrators decision.
Do you even understand nostr? You want people to upload to imr, YouTube or something? That makes no sense. Nostr is literally about leaving big tech website.
Nostr is about building a following and making money. If your media keeps getting deleted then your Nostr profile is just garbage full of dead images.
4chan is a garbage website. It's not used to build a following. As for as I know people don't pay to upload content, they pay to bypass captcha.
The free relays are just setting themselves up to get banned then complaining that they are getting banned.
Bahahaha! You hear that folks? Nostr isn't about expressing yourself or having interesting conversations! It's a serious website for businessmen and influencers!
Oh man, have I been using Nostr wrong the whole time? I haven't even linked a lightning wallet! It's like my posts aren't even transactional in nature or something! How can 4chan users stand being anonymous all the time? What if someone judges the post itself rather than the person who made it? What a design flaw!
Please tell me, nostr:nprofile1qqsv0t9t78ldyqd9xxz7fhz7p346u279mvvaww4lsszntuc9mrc9rqqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsgf77ep if I am using Nostr wrong then how come I am so oblivious? Shouldn't things be really inconvenient for me, or shouldn't my experiences be failing to meet my expectations? Shouldn't I have noticed something was wrong by now?
Sounds to me like your an idiot. I'm going to say you probably can't figure out how to even use or setup a lightning wallet.
From how you talk in one of your notes, you sound like a little retarded normie.
Bitcoin and Nostr requires brains. Something you don't seem to have.
Say what you will about me, I recommend Nostr to any little retarded normie out there who wants a simple and easy platform where a 3rd party can't dictate who is allowed to talk with eachother.
I've found it's okay to just ignore all that weird lightning satoshi stuff or whatever, none of that is actually necessary. Just look at us! We're having a blast throwing shade at eachother and neither one of us has had to pay a cent for it. Just a little genuine human interaction. Is there any problem with this?
Me personally, the only thing that could ruin my day is if the FBI gets mad because a few relays are getting paid to distribute pirated child pornography, and if Nostr clients get banned from the clearnet and from all normie app stores.
That's just going to keep people from using nostr. It's not going to solve the problem.
It will keep scammers & freeloaders from using nostr but people who truly understand decentralization and censorship will take the time to learn and contribute to it. So yes it will solve the problem.
Many people have this mentality that traffic and numbers equals grow but that's the fiat mentality.
Real growth is organic and slower.
It'll be looked at as a paywall to most people. You're only going to filter the small bots - the ones that should be removed will pay
Most people have the freeloader mentality. They were born in the fiat world so they have a mentality of not wanting pay for any service and don't want to help grow a site by paying.
You can say the same thing about Bitcoin. Most fiat people don't need Bitcoin and they look at it as a scam.
The intelligent people are the ones persisted and took the time to learn Bitcoin because it's benefited them. Same is happening with Nostr. The future requires using your head and learning new things.
It may filter small bots and therw may be ones who pay, but their content will still get deleted. We are talking about them uploading questionable things. The administrators are not going to put up with that because the ISP, hosting, cloudflare are the ones pressuring them to delete it.
Word travels fast when someone gets banned, but when it comes to adult content or questionable content the blame is normally on the user.
Not supporting their behavior. I want it filtered too because "the blame is normally on the user". Just saying punishing a group for an outlier is a problematic approach.
Could be solved by adding a filter to the relays. It's going to fall on someone's head sooner or later. The user, relay, domain owner, etc. Lack of resources is what's limiting a real solution.
There is lots that can be done. Unfortunately the relay software is lacking in features because lack of developers. After all the development of relays is done by volunteers.
I run one and it doesn't even have a moderation panel. You literally have to search through MySQL using the cli to find the note., and it's hard and time consuming.
You're right. It will fall on someone's head, and the people who will fall on is the legitimate people who are using nostr, you and i and everyone else who uses Nostr for legit purposes.
That's why I run my own relay and host my own media because the free relays will eventually get banned from their host, for lack of moderation.
I ran my own hosting service in the past and it's hard because the ISP, cloudflare would police my company,
It's my personal opinion that the hosting companies should not be liable for the material that their customers hosts but unfortunately we live in a world were everything is policed. So until we get the laws changed though the political system we have to play along.
Agree. It was wrong to put the liability where they did but, as always the politicians got their $$ so, we get the short end of the stick.
Writing a filter api for the relay to hook into would solve the problem. Still need moderation, and that's where lack of resources, as you know comes back.
Unfortunately.
We really need to get people together and group up some donations to knock out real issues.