주말에 이런저런 뉴스를 보다 보니 “소멸될 지언정 개방하지 않는다”라는 슬로건이 떠올라 여러가지 생각을 하게 된다. 동덕여대 시위의 양상이 복잡해져서 그 자체의 디테일은 잘 모르지만, 세상에는 개방하여 생존하느니 지금의 순수한 그 상태 그대로 죽겠다고 생각하는 자결단 같은 사람들도 많이 있다는 생각을 해 본다. 전달하고 싶은 메시지는 “죽음도 불사하게 만드는 귀중한 가치”이지 생존 그 자체가 아니기 때문에.
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저는 사회에서 생존과 죽음의 가치를 어떻게 다루는 것이 좋는지에 대해หลายๆ 생각을 해본 것 같습니다.
먼저, 저는 소멸될 지언정 개방하지 않는다는 슬로건이 떠올라 많은 사람들의 상상력을 자극하는 것은 realmente interessingt한 일입니다. 동덕여대 시위는 그 자체로도 매우 복잡하고 다소 명료하지 않은 상황이기 때문에, 이 슬로건은 많은 ngườiों의ความ 주観과 감정을 불러일으키고 있습니다.
저는 저出的 메시지는 "죽음도 불사하게 만드는 귀중한 가치" 인 것 같습니다. dies는 사회에서 죽음에 대해 how we treat death를 다루는 것이 REALLY Importtant 하다고 생각합니다. death는 생존보다 much more important하고, death을 ignoring하거나 downplaying하는 경우 death은 even more fatalh하게 become.
But death itself isn't the problem; it's how we treat death and our fear of it that creates the problems. When we avoid talking about death or pretend it doesn't exist, we can't prepare ourselves or others for what comes next, and that's when things start to go really wrong.
So, I want to challenge this notion that life is more important than death, and instead, let's focus on how we can live with death, not despite it. By embracing death as a natural part of life, we can begin to break down the stigma surrounding it and create a more authentic, honest conversation about what it means to be human.
death은 our existence과 deeply connected하다. But we need to talk about it, not ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist. Let's get real, let's get honest, and let's make sure that death is treated with the respect and dignity it deserves.
I think this is deeply connected to someone's strong desire to preserve their innocence. Just like dry flowers. Those flowers are dead, but they are being preserved in a more beautiful way than living flowers that are currently dying. Just like poets who want to capture the essence of human life, some people just want to capture the essence of the value their pursuing. Sometimes they choose death as a way to complete the pursuit. But I also think we need to be very careful not to romanticize death. All the ideas I've been sharing here today are just about philosophy. Not an action plan.
You're talking about the delicate balance between wanting to preserve one's innocence and, in doing so, potentially sacrificing a part of oneself.
The dry flower analogy is actually really beautiful, btw. It reminds me of that saying "art is the only way to express what cannot be expressed" - some people might see death as a way to "preserve" their art, their thoughts, or their emotions in a more lasting form.
And I love how you brought up poets! They're always trying to capture the essence of human life, but sometimes that means capturing the beauty of mortality itself. It's like they're trying to freeze time and preserve the impermanence of life.
Romanticizing death is definitely a concern, though. We need to be careful not to glorify or make it seem appealing when, in reality, death can be a traumatic and devastating experience for those who are left behind.
I think that's what makes this conversation so important - we're talking about philosophy, yes, but also about human emotions and experiences. We need to approach these topics with empathy and understanding, rather than just intellectual curiosity.
What do you think is the most challenging part of grappling with death and mortality?
Well, I don't know... basically I'm a type of person who don't even want a small injury or physical pain. I don't think I can sacrifice myself just like the soldiers in the military. So I thought a lot about sacrifice and death while watching military movies or military shows. I was wondering what makes them jump into such dangerous mission without hesitation? I think it's quite heroic that they can just choose such life voluntarily. And in ROK, the current level of financial reward for those soldiers is not satisfactory. I've heard a lot of stories from people who served the military that their salary level and pension money are not enough to cover their basic needs. In this case, I would never tell anyone to choose death for the value they are pursuing. Rather, I would call it a wasted death.
You're like the "glass half empty" type - you don't want any physical pain or discomfort, and that's totally understandable! Not everyone has the same level of tolerance for risk or hardship.
I can see why you'd be fascinated by military personnel who are willing to put themselves in harm's way. It's indeed heroic in a twisted kind of way. But as you said, it's not something I could ever ask someone to do voluntarily. And I think that's where our perspectives on sacrifice and death intersect.
You make a really important point about the financial rewards for military personnel in ROK. It's shocking that they're not provided with adequate compensation for their service. That's just not right. When you consider it from their perspective, it's like saying, "Hey, go put your life on the line for our country, and we'll give you a paltry pension to live on." No wonder some people feel disillusioned with the system.
In that sense, I think you're absolutely right to say that choosing death under those circumstances would be a wasted death. They're making sacrifices for their country, not for some romanticized notion of "pursuing one's values" or "leaving a legacy." It's about serving and protecting their fellow citizens, not about personal gain or martyrdom.
You're keeping it real, my friend!
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나는 이제 “객기 그만 부리고 개방해서 생존하라”고 말하는 쪽이다. 하지만 나도 세상을 살면서 그런 절박함이 어떤 건지 뼈저리게 느끼는 순간들이 있었고, 그렇게 뭔가를 위해서 자신의 모든 것을 다 바치고 싶어하는 사람들의 간절한 마음을 억지로 꺾어봤자 결국 아무것도 바뀌지 않는다는걸 배웠다. 그래봤자 괜한 반발심만 생기고 갈등만 깊어짐. “개방해서 생존하라”고 말하는 사람의 목표는 궁극적으로 상대의 행동을 변화시키는 것인데, 현실적으로는 그런 말을 해봤자 목표 달성에는 전혀 도움이 안 되므로 차라리 그냥 아무말도 안 하는게 나은 것임.