Nostr Web Client

nostr:npub1f4faufazfl4cf43c893wx5ppnlqfu4evy2shc4p9gknfe56mqelsc5f7ql has a really good article about nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m’s leaving the Bluesky board, support of Nostr, and the recent interview.

I mostly agree with the article but I think there’s more than just that Bluesky is taking on a corporate platform prespective with the roll out of the atproto. It’s that Bluesky is engaged in a kind of closed protocol design that feels heavy like xml and java. It’s open source like Android is…

My hope is that nostr:npub1pu3vqm4vzqpxsnhuc684dp2qaq6z69sf65yte4p39spcucv5lzmqswtfch can be the super easy to use for normies app for Nostr. We’ve got a much bigger and more interesting ecosystem of apps. Nostr is a lot easier to work with than atproto for developers. But it’s also super confusing to new users. Wallet setup is hard, registering a username is hard, understanding how to login to nostr web apps with browser extensions is hard. We can solve these problems, but it takes work.

We’re about to launch the creator and journalism residencies to help bring a diversity of content beyond our core bitcoiner community which is sustaining Nostr.

Take a read:

https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/13/bluesky-is-building-the-decentralized-social-media-jack-dorsey-wants-even-if-he-doesnt-realize-it/

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tf 1y ago

It makes fair points but the elephant in the room is that the AT Protocol is not decentralized in practise and that goes back to your point about the protocol development model and I think Jack's point about Bluesky developing both the protocol and the major client

Maybe atproto will become decentralized in future but the protocol developer and its main consumer being the same entity is not great for the protocol

Bluesky could breakup Bluesky, split off the client development, and split the client itself into different versions - the enforced moderation issue provides a clean breakpoint. And sponsor development of competing clients

They don't seem to be doing much to encourage decentralization and that is strange

tf 1y ago

Ok maybe

"Bluesky controls the AT Protocol right now, and Graber is keenly aware that isn’t tenable if it’s going to be something lots of other companies build on over time. She says the plan is to eventually hand over control to a web standards body like the Internet Engineering Task Force. "

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/6/24062837/bluesky-drops-invite-system-begins-federation-at-protocol

tf 1y ago

Thinking about it this is possibly worse

Enshrining atproto as a standard would help drive out competing protocols

The issues surrounding decentralization are highly political and it's not clear that the IETF are equipped to handle it

This would create an opportunity/vulnerability

shreyan 1y ago

Hmmmm, I think the level of control bluesky has is exaggerated somewhat

soup 1y ago

great article! very easy to read and very fluid. I didn't really get how the people on bluesky misinterpreted the first article saying he left because of the content on bluesky. from what I recall from the first article, jack's team recruited a developer to create a protocol on which twitter can anchor itself, to address different problems twitter was facing. the developer ended up creating a company with a board, becoming its CEO, and establishing a service layer that aim to replace twitter. it's kinda normal to feel dissatisfied with how things unfolded?

soup 1y ago

it's like if you hire a contractor to build you a house and then he says hmm I did build you a house but I also built a floor above your house for me and now the whole house is in my name. I don't know I don't think it's very ethical.

fiatjaf 1y ago

ahahah that's an interesting analogy

elsat 1y ago

👷‍♀️🧱🏠

Derek Ross 1y ago

> understanding how to login to nostr web apps with browser extensions is hard.

I didn't realize this until recently. It's something that I've taken for granted apparently, assuming this is secondhand nature for people. It is not! It's sad because most of the cool stuff of Nostr sits within this web app category. Innovations are being made and it will get better.

daniele 1y ago

A wise person once told me:

> no one uses extensions

> normal people don't even know what extensions are

> I believe normal people can learn everything

> except how to use extensions

> they don't even install adblockers

I was initially skeptical as well, but that is indeed the case.

Our lifeline is NIP-46.

fiatjaf 1y ago

Also it's an attempt at psychologizing Jack:

- "oh he is just afraid of Bluesky moderation because he had a trauma with Twitter moderation as people called him names"

- "again he is wary of the fact that Bluesky has a board because he lived through bad moments at the Twitter board"

tf 1y ago

The psychologizing is an interesting point

Jack talks about censorship 3 times in his interview

"Nostr is weird and hard to use, but if you truly believe in censorship resistance and free speech, you have to use the technologies that actually enable that, and defend your rights"

"We need different options if we truly believe in censorship resistance."

"this whole ‘freedom of speech, not reach,’ is yet another tool of censorship"

Mike mentions it only once only and in the context of denial

"And no, it wasn’t just “censoring conservatives” (a thing that didn’t really happen)."

So we can say that the psychologizing of Jack (sorry Jack) is incomplete

Psychologizing aside

If Bluesky is decentralized how did they deplatform users?

Has anyone ever been deplatformed from Nostr?

bunny rabbit 1y ago

Are you guys going to use my suggestion and pay me or not?

Gina Rinehart, talk to her privately

Sebastix 1y ago