I said gay sex isn't hot, and it isn't just a personal opinion, feeling, and preference. I can justify my position too. Can you say the same about your own thoughts? When you make a statement about what is and is not a fact, can you justify it when challenged?
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Yes, I can justify my thoughts. I’m unclear. Are you saying what you believe about a person preference for attraction can not be felt differently by another person?
Of course preference and attraction can be felt differently by another person. Some people might feel like they could beat a bear in a fight, or feel like stealing is justified. Often they get a bit more perspective and their feelings change to reflect the truth.
If you really can justify your thoughts then please explain why you think that gay sex is hot. Is it really the gay sex itself that's hot rather than the guys having it? Like, do you really think sodomy really so appealing, or is it more of a "Gee Bill, two weiners?" situation? What's cute or attractive about cum in a man's colon?
I find that most straight guys giving so much mental attention to gay sex are far more curious than they are disdainful.
Stay open to all the ways we have access to pleasure and power together ;)
What does that have to do with this conversation?
Are you going to actually justify your thoughts like you said you could? I have feelings that are much more controversial than your bisexuality and I am still more than willing to justify and defend them. Were you just projecting your own inadequacies when you said my beliefs about what is hot were nothing more than personal opinions?
Your ‘beliefs’ are still are nothing more than personal opinions. Fight me on that. I’m trolling you for being so one sided on the topic, while being the one to start the conversation around being attracted to certain kinds of twinks.
So you have a commentary on gay culture and what’s hot, but can’t see why sex would be an end game there? FAFO
Nothing more than personal opinions? Don't I additionally have all the justifications I've given? I gave justification for my belief that twinks are better as men, I gave justification for my belief that I'm not gay, I gave justification for my belief that arguing about what is and isn't gay isn't overdone, I gave justification for how personal feelings can differ between people even when there is an objectively correct and incorrect feeling, and I even gave ways you could justify your beliefs too!
Is "personal opinion" just a label you use to identify any idea you disagree with? Is it just my "personal opinion" that a regular guy can't beat a bear in a fist-fight? Is it just my "personal opinion" that stealing is wrong? Can you give me a universal standard for identifying what you would and would not consider to be a personal opinion? Is there something about your understanding of personal opinions that makes them wrong to use in arguments?
By the way, thank you for your question. To answer, I can very easily see sex as an end game of the fact that men are hot. Straight sex is that end game. Do you have any other questions?
Lots, and lots of questions.
I can justify my side all I want, but I’m not preaching it as fact, or as something you NEED to do. I’m trolling the fact that you can make such certain statements without ever having explored the experience yourself. You CAN’T know what something’s like, if you’ve never even tried it.
Yes, I ask lots of questions because I find that arguing with someone without precisely verifying their position results in shallower arguments.
Why aren't you preaching your side as a fact? Is there something wrong with your justification? The whole reason I'm talking with you is because I believe that any analysis that applies to your life is equally applicable to my life. Do you hope for me to just dismiss your perspective instead?
You are wrong. We know what many things we haven't experienced are like just from thinking about them and hearing about them from others. If you are so confident I'm missing some crucial piece of perspective just because I won't let some random man fuck me, then please, can you enlighten me? Can you articulate what am I supposed to be missing?
It’s precisely that. Sex is not “letting some random person fuck you”, and you miss the point entirely. Do you have a rich sex life? Have you had those different experiences besides watching porn? I have!
It is a fact, some Men enjoy it, not just for the cum in their ass, like you wish for, but for the actual pleasure and enjoyment. Why would anyone do it otherwise?
Thank you for presenting your sexual preferences as applying to more than just you. I appreciate you respecting me enough to project your preferences onto me. I respect that confidence in your sexuality.
You make the claim that gay sex can be rich, and that gay sex gives people pleasure and enjoyment, however just because someone enjoys something doesn't mean it's actually good. There are many cases where someone realizes they had a reason to hate something that they previously enjoyed, and they find that they can no longer enjoy it.
If something is rich and fulfilling then a person should be able to identify what makes it good without having to rely on pleasure and enjoyment alone. They should be able to identify why they might experience pleasure and enjoyment, and they should be able to identify what that pleasure and enjoyment may be about. For example, I can tell you what the deeper value might be in some straight sex. I can also tell you what the deeper value is in porn, in a specific instance or in general.
What can sex with another man give a man that he didn't already have? And that required sex?
The name checks out… nostr:npub14pa5q2kqs8ygfxuat02w88ezsle9wzwnu0meu7z2785t8rl0hhcspkxw3v. There is little value in my time trying to convince you what I believe or compel anything worthwhile out of you. Why? I don’t have an ounce of ego as to whether you agree with how I feel or not. The simple-minded approach you take was my only critique; bashing and making negative statements about things outside your worldview that don’t compute in your simple brain. Wooaahh, people seek pleasure!
Enjoy watching porn and never touching another human male or female you miserable fuck.
Would you be surprised if I told you that I don't need you to agree with how I feel and that I don't see any value in convincing or compelling you to believe what I do? I'm arguing with you because I find homosexuality fascinating, and because there is no better way to truly understand someone's perspective than asking them questions to learn how they will respond. I don't expect you to to try to change my mind, and nor do I expect you to try to change your own mind. It's pretty clear to me that's not what you've been trying to do.
People do seek pleasure, especially me. That's not surprising or inherently bad. But there's usually a reason things are pleasurable. The things people enjoy usually have deeper value to them. My approach may be simple-minded, but so is my goal. I just want to understand you better. Is the reason you are gay (or bi) because you don't believe there is a deeper meaning to the things that humans find pleasurable?