The tax dodge is irrelevant. It's the cheap labor all corporations love and that keeps most restaurants and small businesses going in each city. Undocumented people make much less than minimum wage, work long hours, and are generally skilled.

It's very easy to deport a lot of people if ICE really want to. But that action would break the backbone of the entire service industry. Most people don't understand how deep this goes and how much the US economy depends on slave labor from immigrants to sustain our lifestyle.

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I don't understand this vague labor threat.. either keep the slaves or the economy tanks?

No, my point is that they know the economy will tank without slave labor.... so ICE will never actually deport many people. It's just for show.

Yes, because ICE and human-Troglodyte hybrid Tom Homan are carefully weighing the macroeconomic impact of their actions....

They don't have the physical means/time in four years to deport 10-20 million people which would impact the economy. The ICE agents aren't here to balance the economy like the Federal Reserve.

Via most conceptions of free market economics, "mutually agreed upon price for labor" != "slave labor".... Are you a Marxist?

Vitor used the term, I am responding to his language use. Learn to read before commenting.

But it is not "mutually agreed" upon. The country created a caste system, and the class that doesn't have documents must follow unwritten rules if they want to survive. And the economy uses that to profit. If you give everyone a document so that they don't need to hide anymore, the price changes. That's literally market manipulation. It's not free capitalism.

Open borders harms the working class here.

Freedom always leads to some economic displacement. Cars replace horses, the loom replaces seamstresses, etc. Heck even programmers are worried about being replaced now by "vibe coding."

Society can't progress if we insist that a given model of economic production remains "fixed in amber" at a particular moment in time.

Good luck

It’s funny, the first thing I ever bought with bitcoin was this t-shirt, worn by libertarians in the early years of bitcoin’s existence.

Now everyone just wants to be governed harder, daddy.

how many libertarians wore that one?

Roger Ver did! 😁

Great shirt 🙌

Totally support this one. I think borders are totally unnecessary. Good push for federation and with full democratisation and decentralisation, every local area governs independently helping other areas, when they struggle supporting basic humain rights or suffer from totalitarianism or similar extortion with violence.

Closed borders creates disbalance, while open borders ensure humans are more balanced. Open borders inforces everyone to more empathy, since only a win-win deal will profit the individuum. Migration is only the result of unjust rules. When more people stand strong for humain rights everywhere, there is less pressure for everyone to move.

Probably noone is happy having to migrate.

The west is waking up to open borders. You’re probably going to have to relocate to find your group of people that share this opinion.

> the class that doesn't have documents

... didn't have to join the system.

They were invited to join the system. There is a massive marketing campaign around this. Nobody comes here without an invitation for a job. The journey to convince people to migrate is a lot longer than what people think

If something is a basic component of a functioning country, it should be in everyone’s interest to simplify the process to make it efficient and legal. But that’s not how things are, because what the industry (read: the lobbyists) wants is a permanent caste system of disposable humans who do the most dangerous work at the lowest possible wage, without any access to the benefits the rest of the working class has.

Write your congressman. You can’t *wish* laws into existence. We have a plan in place to do that.

They are there, and actuall being enforced as we speak.

The problem is the last 4 years, and the protesters, not the administration trying to fix it.

Ah thanks any place I can observe that marketing campaign"?

Church and accounting firms

Ah well. By that standard the local drug dealer around the corner has a "marketing campaign" too. Caveat emptor.

Just go talk to them and check. I wouldn't be surprised.

Silk Road had marketing, too.

Of course they do.

Your church is marketing this? Or some hypothetical, non-existent church to hear about on TV?

Literally what Trump is trying to fix. I assume you will be ok with him fixing this.

If he is trying, it's not working. What is working is the Mexican crossing problem, which is a cartel issue. That is virtually solved. But the average undocumented immigrant is still being sold to come. I don't see Trump doing anything about it.

The “average (illegal alien)” walked across the border for the last 3+ years. I agree they were encouraged.

Last week there were 3 illegals.

It’s kinda tough to say he’s not doing enough and going too far, but I guess you do you.

Could also be a vote to get better legal options. So the needed services can be done in a legal manner.

That was the hope for 20 years. Both parties fucked it up. They gave everybody hope that there was a future (which was created in the inflow of people) but didn't deliver. They just got the profits from it.

The government failed to get it done for my entire lifetime, all while promoting the destabilization of foreign countries and their economies, which is what led to the soaring immigration and asylum numbers.

The global monetary system is broken, but the people on the news don't want to talk about that.

The U.S. has the cleanest shirt in the pile of dirty monetary laundry. That's what causes mass migration. People with dirty-ass shirts are looking for cleaner shirts.

You can say these people broke the law, but there is no alternative when following the law means starving to death.

#fixthemoneyfixtheworld

I see the “undocumented” used. That’s an issue.

So we’re all on the same page: illegal alien is the appropriate term for the class of people I am discussing. It’s the correct legal term (as of Jan 20th) and it distinguishes between what you *may* be talking about and what I am talking about.

I have no issue with undocumented people here legally from wherever. They are immigrants, just without papers. Let’s help them locate them so they can get back to work.

Illegal aliens are stealing jobs and not paying taxes. I have a problem with that. If they are paying taxes using an ITIN then good for them, but they still broke the law and do so every day they are here without self-deporting. If you have a problem with that, write your congressman and *have the law changed.*

IDC about the impact of enforcing the law on the work force. Again, change the law if you disagree. You don’t get to decide which laws we should follow, you were not elected to enforce or administer the department that enforces the laws of this country.