I agree with your first point, go hard after all businesses that employ illegals.
It’s a tax dodge (for the company and the individuals) and it’s a great way to capture the most quantity of law breakers.
Regarding the gestapo… the protesters and people evading/assisting evading ICE are sowing the chaos, not the law enforcement sent to quell the uprising.
The narrative framing is tiring when it get flipped on its head on purpose.
The tax dodge is irrelevant. It's the cheap labor all corporations love and that keeps most restaurants and small businesses going in each city. Undocumented people make much less than minimum wage, work long hours, and are generally skilled.
It's very easy to deport a lot of people if ICE really want to. But that action would break the backbone of the entire service industry. Most people don't understand how deep this goes and how much the US economy depends on slave labor from immigrants to sustain our lifestyle.
I don't understand this vague labor threat.. either keep the slaves or the economy tanks?
No, my point is that they know the economy will tank without slave labor.... so ICE will never actually deport many people. It's just for show.
Yes, because ICE and human-Troglodyte hybrid Tom Homan are carefully weighing the macroeconomic impact of their actions....
They don't have the physical means/time in four years to deport 10-20 million people which would impact the economy. The ICE agents aren't here to balance the economy like the Federal Reserve.
Via most conceptions of free market economics, "mutually agreed upon price for labor" != "slave labor".... Are you a Marxist?
Vitor used the term, I am responding to his language use. Learn to read before commenting.
But it is not "mutually agreed" upon. The country created a caste system, and the class that doesn't have documents must follow unwritten rules if they want to survive. And the economy uses that to profit. If you give everyone a document so that they don't need to hide anymore, the price changes. That's literally market manipulation. It's not free capitalism.
Open borders harms the working class here.
Freedom always leads to some economic displacement. Cars replace horses, the loom replaces seamstresses, etc. Heck even programmers are worried about being replaced now by "vibe coding."
Society can't progress if we insist that a given model of economic production remains "fixed in amber" at a particular moment in time.
Closed borders creates disbalance, while open borders ensure humans are more balanced. Open borders inforces everyone to more empathy, since only a win-win deal will profit the individuum. Migration is only the result of unjust rules. When more people stand strong for humain rights everywhere, there is less pressure for everyone to move.
Probably noone is happy having to migrate.
The west is waking up to open borders. You’re probably going to have to relocate to find your group of people that share this opinion.
> the class that doesn't have documents
... didn't have to join the system.
They were invited to join the system. There is a massive marketing campaign around this. Nobody comes here without an invitation for a job. The journey to convince people to migrate is a lot longer than what people think
If something is a basic component of a functioning country, it should be in everyone’s interest to simplify the process to make it efficient and legal. But that’s not how things are, because what the industry (read: the lobbyists) wants is a permanent caste system of disposable humans who do the most dangerous work at the lowest possible wage, without any access to the benefits the rest of the working class has.
Write your congressman. You can’t *wish* laws into existence. We have a plan in place to do that.
They are there, and actuall being enforced as we speak.
The problem is the last 4 years, and the protesters, not the administration trying to fix it.
Ah thanks any place I can observe that marketing campaign"?
Church and accounting firms
Your church is marketing this? Or some hypothetical, non-existent church to hear about on TV?
Literally what Trump is trying to fix. I assume you will be ok with him fixing this.
If he is trying, it's not working. What is working is the Mexican crossing problem, which is a cartel issue. That is virtually solved. But the average undocumented immigrant is still being sold to come. I don't see Trump doing anything about it.
The “average (illegal alien)” walked across the border for the last 3+ years. I agree they were encouraged.
Last week there were 3 illegals.
It’s kinda tough to say he’s not doing enough and going too far, but I guess you do you.
Could also be a vote to get better legal options. So the needed services can be done in a legal manner.
That was the hope for 20 years. Both parties fucked it up. They gave everybody hope that there was a future (which was created in the inflow of people) but didn't deliver. They just got the profits from it.
The government failed to get it done for my entire lifetime, all while promoting the destabilization of foreign countries and their economies, which is what led to the soaring immigration and asylum numbers.
The global monetary system is broken, but the people on the news don't want to talk about that.
The U.S. has the cleanest shirt in the pile of dirty monetary laundry. That's what causes mass migration. People with dirty-ass shirts are looking for cleaner shirts.
You can say these people broke the law, but there is no alternative when following the law means starving to death.
#fixthemoneyfixtheworld
I see the “undocumented” used. That’s an issue.
So we’re all on the same page: illegal alien is the appropriate term for the class of people I am discussing. It’s the correct legal term (as of Jan 20th) and it distinguishes between what you *may* be talking about and what I am talking about.
I have no issue with undocumented people here legally from wherever. They are immigrants, just without papers. Let’s help them locate them so they can get back to work.
Illegal aliens are stealing jobs and not paying taxes. I have a problem with that. If they are paying taxes using an ITIN then good for them, but they still broke the law and do so every day they are here without self-deporting. If you have a problem with that, write your congressman and *have the law changed.*
IDC about the impact of enforcing the law on the work force. Again, change the law if you disagree. You don’t get to decide which laws we should follow, you were not elected to enforce or administer the department that enforces the laws of this country.
You are clearling pushing a strange narrative. It is widly agreed, that it is far from normal not sure if legal for Donald Trump to send troops without the governors request. Even with a clear message to take them back.
“far from normal” doesn’t have any relevance to any situation ever.
If you ask random liberal, Trump making a speech meets the definition.
As the liberal screechers have said since trump too office, sure he did the thing, let’s see if the courts agree it’s legal.
I say we roll with that option.
I vote for the arrest of Newsome to make the insurrectionists take notice.
Remember, nobody is above the law.
Your point. Far from normal does not imply for anything to be bad.
I think it is very bad how Trump legitimates his actions by claims that protesters are "paid insurrectionists".
I would mean an official person like Trump would need to have very good proof, to speak like this.
"I vote for the arrest of Newsome to make the insurrectionists take notice."
So you are speaking out for political arrest without illegal actions of Newman? Or is there some claims of illegal actions from his side?
Nobody is above the law.
If there is a federal crime Newsome committed, he should be arrested.
The word “Political” would not be appropriate here. That’s when you create innovative ways to change statutes of limitation and new legal theory to try to imprison your political opponent.
So based on which law would you say Newsome commited a criminal act? I would rather say, that Donald Trump did not respect the federal sovereignty. I think only people who support centralisation of power would support Trumps actions.
I would say it is very clearly against the federation and the sovereignty of the states.
I’m sure you would rather make that argument. That’s the MSM playbook.
1. Donald Trump does a thing
2. That “thing” is bad because—- fill in the blank.
3. That thing is likely illegal because—- fill in the blank.
4. Is DJT president?
a. No —- arrest him
b. Nationwide TRO
To answer your first question: I repeat… If newsome committed a crime, prosecute him. Nobody is above the law.
"If newsome committed a crime, prosecute him. Nobody is above the law.", I totally agree.
I am not following some playbook, as you assume it. I just follow the news of what is happening. And I think personally, that power should always be as close to the people as possible. Minimalize delegation of power and federate as much decision making to everyone when possible. And it is easy to see, that Trup is rowing against my ideal with his actions.
He is trying to concentrate power and take it away from the individual states.
So I assume you are hugely in favor of him sending Roe vs Wade to the dustbin of history and the decision on abortion back to the states, as the constitution requires.
And you are reading the situation in California differently than I am.
ICE should be allowed to do their job unimpeded, with zero resistance or friction from any state actors. If that is not happening, the President should have the right to ensure that it does.
That’s how I read California. Not a presidential overreach. But again, *everything* is an overreach re:trump.
So the argument is completely watered down at this point.
Time for the adults to put the liberal insurrectionists where they belong. Behind bars.
Not sorry.
Liberal CBS, in trying to spin the narrative to make Trump look bad, explained the National Guard has “not been aiding LAPD in the riots” and “has only been defending federal agents in doing their jobs” and “defending federal buildings.”
Seems the overreach narrative has no legs.
I’m shocked.
